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Anita

Anita Report 9 Jul 2022 14:22

Thank you all for your efforts. i did have all the above, just needed to confirm that Lillie was a short name for Elizabeth. It was her job at the crown which is the relevant bit.
Again best wishes to all.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 Jul 2022 16:44

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Thomas Raper
in the 1841 England Census
Name: Thomas Raper
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Scrayingham
Hundred: Buckrose
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Malton
Sub-registration district: Weston
Neighbors:
Piece: 1211
Book: 6
Folio: 4
Page number: 2
Household Members Age
Roberts Hudson 45
Charlotte Barttiffe 4
Ann Richardson 25
John Richardson 6
Richard Bulmer 20
William Pratt 20
William Wilson 20
Thomas Raper 10 - Ag labourer [ for Charles Hudson, farmer ]
Mary Thompson 20
Ellin Pratt 15
Rachael Pinknay 20

Address: Gallygap, Howsham. <<<<<<<<<<<


???
Thomas Raper
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Thomas Raper
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Horesam, Yorkshire, England [looks like Housam on image ]
Civil Parish: Pocklington
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
Town: Pocklington
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
View image
Registration District: Pocklington
Sub-registration District: East Stamford Bridge
ED, institution, or vessel: 8a
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 74
Piece: 2357
Folio: 255
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Kirby 28
Elizabeth Kirby 25
Jane Danley 67
Thomas Raper 22 - farmer's servant
Sarah Steels 20
Ann E Steels 2
Elizabeth Steels 1 Mo

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 Jul 2022 16:24

Just to round things off re Lillie:

Elizabeth/Lillie in 1891:

Elizabeth Raper
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Raper
Gender: Female
Age: 26
Relationship: Servant
Birth Year: 1865
Birth Place: Totterton, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Fairfield
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Residence Place: Buxton, Fairfield, Derbyshire, England [ Midland Hotel ]
Registration district: Chapel En Le Frith
Sub registration district: Buxton
ED, Institution or Vessel: 1
Neighbors:
Piece: 2778
Folio: 22
Household Members Age Relationship
Elizabeth Raper 26 Servant - Cashier in hotel
Henry Walsh 30 Servant


1871:

Elizabeth Raper
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Raper
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: 1864
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Tollerton, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Huntington
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: York
Sub-registration district: Bootham
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 42
Piece: 4743
Folio: 9
Page number: 9
Household Members Age Relationship
John Kettlewell 59 Head
Mary Kettlewell 50 Wife
William Handsell 29 Servant, unmarried [ Lillie's uncle? ]
Ann Beilby 23 Servant
Elizabeth Raper 7 Visitor


1881 posted earlier, and you already had 1901 and 1911.
I don't see her in 1921.




Looks like Mary in 1851 with the same Kettlewell family:

Mary Hansell
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Mary Hansell
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Tollerton, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Huntington
Ecclesiastical parish: Huntington
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration District: York
Sub-registration District: Skelton
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 32
Piece: 2353
Folio: 88
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Kettlewell 70
Mary Hansell 28
John Shields 12


and 1861:

Mary Hansell
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Mary Hansell
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: 1837
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Tallington, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Sandhutton
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: York
Sub-registration district: Flaxton
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 33
Piece: 3557
Folio: 49
Page number: 7
Household Members Age Relationship
Robt Kettlewell Jr 50 Head
Robt Kettlewell Sen 81 Father
Elizth Hansell 65 Servant - unmarried, housekeeper, Tollington
Mary Hansell 24 Servant - housemaid
Mary Cooper 15 Servant
William Wright 25 Servant
Richard Exelby 18 Servant
David Binns 14 Servant
William Galway 18 Servant
Thomas Raper 28 Labourer (Laborer) , Howsham <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Richard Lawson 50 Labourer (Laborer)

alviegal

alviegal Report 7 Jul 2022 20:27

RAPER. —February 22. 14. Esplanade, Scarborough, ELIZABETH (Lillie) RAPER. late manageress of the Crown Hotel.—Funeral New Cemetery to-day (Monday) 12 noon.

26 February 1934 - Leeds Mercury - Leeds, Yorkshire, England

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 6 Jul 2022 18:46

A brother:

RAPER, WILLIAM mmn HANSELL
GRO Reference: 1865 M Quarter in GREAT OUSEBURN Volume 09A Page 88

William Raper
in the 1871 England Census
Name: William Raper
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: 1865
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Tollerton, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Tollerton
Ecclesiastical parish: Alne
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Great Ouseburn
Sub-registration district: Whixley
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 9
Piece: 4282
Folio: 6
Page number: 3
Household Members Age Relationship
George Hansell 50 Head
Elizabeth Hansell 57 Wife
John Hansell 27 Son, unmarried
Jane Hansell 26 Daughter, unmarried
William Raper 6 Grandson
Horace Hansell 3 Grandson


HANSELL, HORACE -
GRO Reference: 1867 D Quarter in GREAT OUSEBURN Volume 09A Page 84 Occasional Copy: A

Horace was baptised 22/12/1867 in Alne - mother Jane Hansell.
Died 1944 in Howden reg district.


William Raper
in the 1881 England Census
Name: William Raper
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relationship to Head: Son in Law [ stepson ]
Gender: Male
Where Born: Tollerton Forest, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Scackleton
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Joiner (Joiner)
Registration District: Malton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors:
Piece: 4813
Folio: 17
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
John Waune 59
Rebecca Waune 25
Francis Waune 21
Sarah Waune 19
William Raper 16
Jane A. Waune 9


He married Emily Moorhouse on 29 Oct 1890 in Milnsbridge, Yorkshire.

In 1891 he and Emily are boarding with the Dyson family in Linthwaite, Yorkshire.
In 1901 they're in Huddersfield with a daughter Dorothy, 3.
1911, still in Huddersfield with daughter Dorothy Irene.
He's a draper's assistant.

Dorothy died in Huddersfield in 1931, unmarried.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 6 Jul 2022 16:50

Parents of child baptised in Alne:

Thomas Raper
in the England, Select Marriages, 1538-1973
Name: Thomas Raper
Gender: Male
Age: 33
Birth Date: 1830
Marriage Date: 18 Feb 1863
Marriage Place: Alne,York,England
Father: Thomas Raper
Spouse: Mary Hansell
FHL Film Number: 1068310



>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Her birth:

RAPER, ELIZABETH mmn HANSELL
GRO Reference: 1863 J Quarter in GREAT OUSEBURN Volume 09A Page 93


Great Ouseburn is about 5 miles from Alne.


Eliz. Roper
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Eliz. Roper
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relationship to Head: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where Born: Tollerton, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Tollerton
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Education:
Employment status:
View image
Occupation: Dressmaker
Registration District: Great Ouseburn
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors:
Piece: 4322
Folio: 42
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Hansell 66
William Hansell 40 - son
Mary Waurne 44 - daughter,married
Jane Hansell 36 - daughter, unmarried
Eliz. Roper 17 - grand-daughter
Horace Hansell 13
Richard Hansell 5



Mary Hansell's second marriage:

Mary Raper
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Mary Raper
Registration Year: 1871
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District: York
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 30
Records on Page:
Name
Mary Raper
John Wawne


Hence the Jane Ann Wawne in Elizabeth Raper's Will.

She is half sister to Elizabeth:

WAWNE, JANE ANN mmn HANSELL
GRO Reference: 1871 S Quarter in MALTON UNION Volume 09D Page 353

Marked As Answer Marked as Answered

Anita

Anita Report 6 Jul 2022 16:07

Glad we now agree on Tollerton... I was the transcriber!

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 6 Jul 2022 15:57

I think you are right about the 1863 baptism in Alne. On the image it says they lived in Tollerton.

Kath. x

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 6 Jul 2022 15:48

Thanks Kathleen. Nearly every time I go for 1 on my iPad it ends up as 2.

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 6 Jul 2022 15:42

There is only one birth for a Jane Ann Wawne on Findmypast and that is in 1871 in Malton, North Yorkshire.

In 1911 she was working at another hotel in Scarborough (The Ramshill Hotel) so maybe that is how they met.

Kath. x

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 6 Jul 2022 15:32

Administration of the will is given to Jane Ann Wawne, spinster. Elizabeth left £3923 17s. 6p.

Kath. x

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 6 Jul 2022 15:27

The address on the probate for Elizabeth/Lillie is 14 The Esplanade rather than 24 as posted above.

14 the Esplanade seems to be close to The Crown Hotel.

Kath. x

Anita

Anita Report 6 Jul 2022 15:16

Elizabeth Raper baptised Alne 10 June 1863, parents Thomas & Mary looks favourite if Lillie is Elizabeth.

Anita

Anita Report 6 Jul 2022 15:15

Scarborough death looks good but birth...???
Am actually researching for the Crown hotel and she as the third manager.

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 6 Jul 2022 15:11

No. She died in Scarborough in 1934. Elizabeth also known as Lillie Raper. There is a will.
24 The Esplanade, Scarborough

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 6 Jul 2022 15:10

Her birth may not have been registered. There were no penalties for not registering at that time.

This could be a possibility (Knaresborough is only about 15 miles from Tollerton):-

First name(s) Lily
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Last name Raper
Country England
Birth year -
Archive North Yorkshire County Record Office
Baptism year 1867
Archive reference PR/KN 1/12
Baptism date 20 Apr 1867
Page 162
Baptism place Knaresborough, St John the Baptist
Record set Yorkshire Baptisms
Denomination Anglican
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Father's first name(s) Owen Jackson
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Father's last name -
Collections from England, Great Britain
Mother's first name(s) Jane

The spelling of names often changed in those days.

Kath. x

Anita

Anita Report 6 Jul 2022 15:04

marriage is a possible .. already got a note of it. It's her birth/baptism which are illusive.

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 6 Jul 2022 14:59

Also, I forgot to say that you can have a look at the 1921 as a basic search - everyone has to pay for downloads. Even if you have a sub to FMP

Edit as she had been manageress there for some time it is worth looking out for her in the local papers.

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 6 Jul 2022 14:56

There is this possible marriage:-

First name(s) Lillie
County Yorkshire
Last name Raper
Country England
Marriage quarter 3
Volume 9D
Marriage year 1918
Volume as transcribed 9D
Registration month -
Page number 13
MarriageFinder™ Lillie Raper married one of these people
Edward Drew
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Spouse's last name Drew
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
District York
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
District number -
Collections from Great Britain, England

Kath. x

Anita

Anita Report 6 Jul 2022 14:45

Lillie was single Could lillie be short for elizabeth - not usual but clearly no Lily, Lillie, Lillian etc anywhere.