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Am trying to help a family friend with his family tree and his Gt. Grandparents above are proving a little tricky. He doesn't know any dates for John, but Eileen was born in Retford in 1921. They married in Retford in June qtr of 1943 at Retford. Wondered if it would be possible to have a look up. They had a daughter Jean M Wilson born Sept qtr 1943 in Worksop (that could have been in hospital there) Sorry not much to go on, but worth a try? Thank-you Teresa

When did each of them die?

Eileen L Barkworth born 5.3.1921 is on 1939 register, but, strangely, no mention of her having married, which there should be

I haven't found death on freeBMD, was just going to look on famiysearch to see if I can find them.

Very little chance of locating John Wilson unless you can get some date info as it’s such a common name

Get a copy of the marriage cert for his age and father’s details

Doesn’t your friend know when they died?

The marriage is for Eileen M Barkworth, so the woman I suggested isn’t her.

OK - found the right one now

She’s a kitchen maid at Rampton.

If you want her history, follow-through from her birth. MMN is quite unusual, so you should find the parents easily enough

ErikaH, he knows very little about any of his family, just a couple of his grandparents, who were actually my Dads friends, I have managed to trace 6 of his greats but was struggling with the ones I asked about. It is unfortunate to have a common name so I thank-you for your time anyway

Ah just picked you last message up, thank-you.

He needs the marriage cert…………

Yes Erika, I will tell him to send for one. TY

Eileen M Wilson (Barkworth) in 1939
1939 Register
Rampton State Institution Near Retford,Notts, East Retford, East Retford R.D., Nottinghamshire, England

First name(s) Eileen M
Schedule 7
Last name(s) Wilson (Barkworth)
Schedule Sub Number 128
DOB -
Borough / District East Retford R.D.
Birth day -
County Nottinghamshire
Birth month -
County Nottinghamshire
Birth year -
Country England
Sex Female
Archive reference RG101/6264I/009/35
Marital status -
Piece number 6264I
Occupation Kitchen Maid
Item number 9
Special interest groups -
Line number 35
Address Rampton State Institution Near Retford,Notts, East Retford
Category Census, land & surveys
Place East Retford R.D.
Subcategory Census
E. D. letter code ROHR
Collections from Great Britain, England

Date of birth may be 5/3/21, it is obscured by tape.


and her family in 1939.


Joan E Jackson (Barkworth) in 1939

9 Leverton Road, Retford, East Retford M.B., Nottinghamshire, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Wallace Barkworth 29 Nov 1893 Male Elec (Fuel & Lighting Orders Widowed 47 1
John R Barkworth 06 Nov 1917 Male Paper Maker (Machinist) Single 47 2
Joan E Jackson (Barkworth) 02 Oct 1919 Female Grocers Assistant Single 47 3
Eileen L Barkworth 05 Mar 1921 Female Kitchen Made Single 47 4
Kenneth Barkworth 20 Nov 1922 Male Hairdresser (Apprentice Single 47 5
Olive M Delaporte (Barkworth) 21 Oct 1925 Female At School Single 47 6

Births Dec 1917 (>99%)
Barkworth John R Keyworth E.Retford 7b 18
Births Dec 1919 (>99%)
Barkworth Joan E Keyworth E. Retford 7b 18
Births Jun 1921 (>99%)
Barkworth Eileen M Keyworth E.Retford 7b 15
Births Mar 1923 (>99%)
Barkworth Kenneth Keyworth E.Retford 7b 13
Births Dec 1925 (>99%)
Barkworth Olive M Keyworth E.Retford 7b 22

Actually the one I mentioned originally is the right woman - she was recorded twice, but only on the Rampton record was her marriage noted

1939
9 Leverton Road, Retford, East Retford M.B., Nottinghamshire


Wallace Barkworth 29 Nov 1893 Male Elec (Fuel & Ce? Orders Widowed 47 1
John R Barkworth 06 Nov 1917 Male Paper Maker (Machinist) Single 47 2
Joan E Jackson (Barkworth) 02 Oct 1919 Female Grocers Assistant Single 47 3
Eileen L Barkworth 05 Mar 1921 Female Kitchen Made Single 47 4
Kenneth Barkworth 20 Nov 1922 Male Hairdresser (Apprentice Single 47 5
Olive M Delaporte (Barkworth) 21 Oct 1925 Female At School Single 47 6

Wallace died 1959


Marriages Dec 1915 (>99%)
Barkworth Wallace Keyworth Wakefield 9c 149
Keyworth Alice E Barkworth Wakefield 9c 149


1901

127, Moorgate, Retford, North Retford, East Retford
George Baulby Head Married Male 59 1842 Bricklayer Retford, Nottinghamshire, England
Ann Baulby Wife Married Female 65 1836 - Retford, Nottinghamshire, England
Emma Barkworth Daughter Married Female 34 1867 - Retford, Nottinghamshire, England
Wallace Barkworth Grand son - Male 7 1894 - Retford, Nottinghamshire, England

Births Sep 1893 (>99%)
Keyworth Alice Emily E. Retford 7b 10

First name(s) Wallace
Residence town Wakefield
Last name Barkworth
Residence county Yorkshire
Birth year 1893
Residence country England
Birth town Doncaster
Series WO 363
Birth county Yorkshire
Series description Wo 363 - First World War Service Records 'Burnt Documents'
Birth country England
Age 23
Record set British Army Service Records
Year 1916
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Service number 361288
Subcategory First World War
Regiment Labour Corps
Collections from Great Britain, UK None

Wallace re-married

Marriages Dec 1941 (>99%)
Barkworth Wallace Lindley E.Retford 7b 40
Lindley Lillie Barkworth E.Retford 7b 40

Eileen's death - FMP's new system is AWFUL

First name(s) Eileen May
District East Retford
Last name Wilson
Register number 686
Gender Female
County Nottinghamshire
Birth day 5
Birth month 3
Birth year 1921
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Death quarter 2
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Registration Month 6
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Death year 1986

Yes, nothing comes out in a sensible order does it ErikaH. Good job, I've got time to fiddle a little -

????
Wondering about this death for John - same RD and just 5 years older than Eileen

England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
East Retford, Nottinghamshire, England

First name(s) John
Last name Wilson
District number 6861A
Register number 1A
Gender Male
Entry number 233
Birth day 19
Birth month 12
Birth year 1916
Date of registration mm/yy 1105
County Nottinghamshire
Country England
Age -
Death quarter 4
Death Year 2005

That would give you this chap in 1939

1939 Register
Manor Farm, West Markham, East Retford R.D., Nottinghamshire, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Frank Dolby 28 Sep 1890 Male Farmer Married 43 1
Laura A Dolby 06 Aug 1891 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 43 2
Frederick Dolby 15 Mar 1859 Male Farmer Retired Widowed 43 3
John (Thomas) Wilson 19 Dec 1916 Male General Farm Worker Single 43 4

Original says John Wilson, but in 1972 a change has been noted making his forenames Thomas John