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6 Mar 2018 13:57 |
Thanks ArgyllGran, I just saw the death entry the other day myself !! I decided to buy the certificate because I thought it was the right entry. Please don't feel that you raised my hopes at all.
These things are all part of learning to find what is correct or not ! I took the decision to buy.
With further research, I am sure there will be a connection somewhere along the name.
So, here is the info on the certificate :-
Leslie Alexander Drummond, b 2nd November, 1940, at 73, Millborne Road, Glasgow.
Parents are - Donald Gunn Drummond, Yarn Merchant's Cashier, (Usual residence - 93, Battle Field Avenue, Glasgow), & Catherine Burns Drummond M.S. Robertson. (Married 19th August, 1933, Blythswood, Glasgow). (Father registered the birth on 14th August, 1940).
Plot thickens...........
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6 Mar 2018 07:34 |
Wondering if there was a Will for below...(they often hold clues!)
Chris :)
(from other 'Thread', reference)
Death: CHARLES GRIGSON ALEXANDER Age: 78 Year of Death: 1955 Ref: 644/18 1154 RD Name: Pollok -----------------------------------
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5 Mar 2018 22:39 |
Oops - Leslie wasn't Doris's son after all. Sorry to have raised your hopes and encouraged you to spend money on the birth cert, Marcus. It didn't occur to me to look for his death until now.
Leslie's death:
DRUMMOND LESLIE ALEXANDER 56 mms ROBERTSON 1997 800/ 18 West Linton
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5 Mar 2018 18:09 |
Have just heard from ScotlandsPeople that the certificate I ordered for Leslie Alexander Drummond das been despatched !!
Should receive it in next couple days or so, depending on Royal Mail snail post....
Will keep you posted with info when I get it.
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22 Feb 2018 09:26 |
Have just ordered birth certificate for Leslie Alexander Drummond !! Should arrive next few days or so.
The waiting has begun........ !!
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Chris Ho :)
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19 Feb 2018 13:45 |
Always worth a check in 'Search All Member Trees' (Top right of page here, under 'Search') to see if any other GR Members share names...
Another source often useful, Wills...
Chris :)
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19 Feb 2018 12:35 |
From the 1940's, and at least until 1962, Doris and her husband were living at 40 Largie Road in the Cathcart area of Glasgow.
Their surname is too common to be able to tell if any of the births in Glasgow after 1940 are their children or not, without buying certs.
A boy with first names Leslie Alexander was born 1940 in Cathcart - maybe worth a punt?
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19 Feb 2018 11:34 |
A big thank you to all who have helped me with this side of the family.
Thanks Chris for the various census, ArgyllGran & Rootsgatherer too.
I have look at ScotlandsPeople and have found that Adam's mother is called Alison, not Alice, but she may have been called this instead.
Mary Anderson - Adam's wife was daughter of William Anderson & Margaret Sparks, so ArgyllGran, you was right on this one!!
The information on 196, Nithsdale Road is invaluable - thanks for that.
As for Siblings of Elizabeth Broomfield, this is what is happening:-
Margaret 1875 - 1942, never married, Elizabeth 1877 - 1922 married Charles Grigson Alexander, Adam 1879 - 1880 died young, Mary Jane 1881 - 1949 Neve married and finally William 1885 - 1917, married Ida May Dewing (1883 - 1978) in 1912, had daughter - Kathleen 1914 - 1917!
So apart from William having a child, who died very young, I don't know if Charles' 2 daughters had any children of their own. If not, then this line comes to a stop right here.
As Charles Alexander is step-brother to my great grandfather, and not my direct ancestor, I am extremely glad to have found him, his wife and his 2 daughters after many, many years, I can, I feel, put him to rest now.
Unless, of course, anyone can find anything else...........??
Thanks!!
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17 Feb 2018 16:47 |
As 1911 says she was born in Bunkle, this will probably be her birth:
ANDERSON MARY WILLIAM ANDERSON/MARGARET SPARK FR475 (FR475) F 25/01/1847 738/ 30 163 Edrom
It seems the most likely of the four Mary Anderson births in Berwickshire 1846-48
And probably her death:
Deaths Mar 1922 (>99%) Broomfield Mary 74 Gateshead 10a 1443
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17 Feb 2018 16:39 |
(thankyou AG, thought that would be the case, lol)
Chris :)
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17 Feb 2018 16:36 |
Marriage:
BROOMFIELD ADAM ANDERSON MARY 1874 747/ 1 Langton [Berwickshire]
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17 Feb 2018 15:25 |
(presuming the Marriage for Adam Broomfield, Mary Anderson in Scotland?...
Below looks to be for first Daughter...
Chris :)
Births Mar 1875 (>99%) ------------------------------------------------------------ Broomfield Margaret Newcastle T. 10b 22
26 January 1875 - Berwickshire News and General Advertiser - Berwick
Birth At Newcastle-on-Tvne, on the 17th inst., the wife of Adam Broomfield, railway porter, of a daughter.
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17 Feb 2018 11:34 |
Glasgow, Glengowan House, 196 Nithsdale Road Diocese: Glasgow Description: 1880-90 Listing category: C(S) Ownership: Private, with church connection
https://tinyurl.com/y93wop9h
Another Google search result (website name: novaloca.com) includes the words, "Most recently operated as a charitable residential care home" - although when you open the link it just says, "Sorry, this property is no longer available."
EDIT:
Perhaps more recently, a less savoury history - can't find the rest of this Google search result when I open the link:
1 WIT.001.001.2909 - Scottish Child Abuse Inquiry https://www.childabuseinquiry.scot/media/1457/witness-statement-abz.pdf
Glengowan House, 196 Nithsdale Road, Glasgow. 68. They moved children from Smyllum to a girls' hostel or a boys' hostel. Some children went back to their families, but they were few and far between. My brothers, Pat and. Kevin, went to the hostel at Glengowan when they were thirteen and fourteen. It was meant to be ...
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16 Feb 2018 23:15 |
Looking for 196 Nithsdale Road, I found this
details for Glengowan House, 196 Nithsdale Road, Glasgow G41 5EU Detached house 10+ Beds, 7 Baths, 4 Receps - Edit Zoopla Estimate: £736,000
Do you think it may have been a small private nursing home of sorts when your ancestor died there?
From memory, I was think that there are some pretty large detached houses in parts of Nithsdale Road.
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16 Feb 2018 21:45 |
(thought I added this earlier, but not seeing!)
Edits (was on other 'Thread')
Chris :)
20 January 1942 - Newcastle Evening Chronicle - Newcastle-upon-Tyne
Death BROOMFIELD. Gateshead, 52, Woodbine St.. 17th inst., Margaret, daughter of late Adam and Mary Broomfield Interment Wed.. Saltwell Cem., service house 1.15.
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#calendar
(1942 on above. see Mary Jane 1949 also)
1911 (Find My Past) Adam Broomfield Head Married Male 66 1845 Stitchell Berwickshire Railway - Assistant Station Master Mary Broomfield Wife Married Female 64 1847 Bunkle Berwickshire - Margaret Broomfield Daughter Single Female 36 1875 Newcastle on Tyne Northland - Mary Jane Broomfield Daughter Single Female 30 1881 Gateshead Durham School Teacher William Broomfield Son Single Male 26 1885 Gateshead Durham Railway Clerk 229 Whitehall Road Gateshead, Gateshead, Durham (says Married 37yrs, 5 children born, 4 living, 1 died)
1901 (Find My Past) Adam Broomfield Head Married Male 55 1846 Scotland Assistant Station Master (Railway) Mary Broomfield Wife Married Female 54 1847 Scotland - Margaret Broomfield Daughter Single Female 26 1875 Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England Elizabeth Broomfield Daughter Single Female 24 1877 Gateshead, Durham, England Dressmaker Mary J Broomfield Daughter Single Female 19 1882 Gateshead, Durham, England School Teacher William Broomfield Son Single Male 16 1885 Gateshead, Durham, England Railway Clerk Alice Broomfield Mother Widow Female 90 1811 Scotland 38, Sidney Grove, Gateshead, Durham,
1891 (Find My Past) Adam Broomfield Head Married Male 45 1846 Scotland Assistant Station Master Mary Broomfield Wife Married Female 44 1847 Scotland - Elizabeth Broomfield Daughter Single Female 14 1877 Durham, England Dressmaker Apprentice Mary J Broomfield Daughter - Female 10 1881 Durham, England Scholar William Broomfield Son - Male 6 1885 Durham, England Scholar Alice Broomfield Mother Widow Female 81 1810 Scotland Third Street, Gateshead, Durham,
1881 (Find My Past) Adam Broomfield Head Married Male 36 1845 Scotland Railway Porter Mary Broomfield Wife Married Female 34 1847 Scotland - Margaret Broomfield Daughter Single Female 6 1875 Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England Scholar Elizabeth Broomfield Daughter Single Female 4 1877 Gateshead, Durham, England Scholar Mary A Broomfield Daughter Single Female 0 1881 Gateshead, Durham, England Alice Broomfield Mother Widow Female 71 1810 Scotland - William Anderson Boarder Single Male 26 1855 Scotland Railway Porter
Birth BROOMFIELD, ELIZABETH (ANDERSON) GRO Reference: 1876 S Quarter in GATESHEAD Volume 10A Page 862
(the Mother, on 1891 above)
Cemetery Registers Gateshead 1902 Alice Broomfield abt 1811 38 Sidney Grove
https://www.durhamrecordsonline.com/
(also on above, who would be the (1 child died) from 1911)
Cemetery Registers Gateshead 1880 Adam Broomfield abt 1879 138 St. Cuthbert's Terrace
Birth BROOMFIELD, ADAM (ANDERSON) GRO Reference: 1879 S Quarter in GATESHEAD Volume 10A Page 803
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16 Feb 2018 17:15 |
Thanks again ArgyllGran!!
Had another look myself and you are correct in saying 'Probably Syncope' as cause of death.
The writing isn't wonderful, but you did it. Thanks for taking a look for me.
Googled 'Syncope' and is described as 'fainting / loss of consciousness, caused by possible low blood pressure', etc..
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16 Feb 2018 15:48 |
I suggest "syncone" is "syncope".
Don't know about anabed / anbabes, though.
EDIT:
OK, I've used some credits and had a look.
I think "anababes" is "probably"
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16 Feb 2018 14:00 |
Update:-.........
District of Pollockshields in the Burgh of Glasgow.
Adam Broomfield died 1st April, 1929, ages 84 years.
He died at 21, Regents Park Square, Glasgow - Same address as Charles & Elizabeth Grigson (Daughter & Son in Law) !!
Residence - 52, Woodbine Street, Gateshead, England.
His daughter, M. Broomfield, of 52, Woodbine Street, Gateshead, England' was present at death and is the informant of the death.
Death by 'Natural Causes, Anbabes Syncone (??), (Sudden Death).
Can't quite make out the Latin medical term above. I think it says Anabed Syncone' Totally unsure!!
He was a 'Widower of Mary Anderson'.
So, he was visiting family with at least another of his daughters (M. Broomfield).
At least we now have his death information and an address in Gateshead, England.
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Marcus
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11 Feb 2018 19:52 |
Thanks ArgyllGran for the info. Will look into that later this week...........
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11 Feb 2018 17:58 |
BROOMFIELD ADAM 84 1929 644/18 270 Pollokshields
The Alexanders lived in the Pollok area of Glasgow - so Adam died in roughly the same area.
He's not on the Glasgow ER's
You'd have to spend a few credits on SP to view the cert to know the exact address.
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