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I have had a look at the N'hamton deaths. There is a CharlesAyres buried at St Sepulchre in August 1842 aged 2,but there is no death reg for him.But there is one for the same quarter reg Peterborough (at the time the county town) foe Charles Hare. I have a feeling that these are the same boy.Accents account for a lot,as the clergy were often unfamiliar with the local lingo. Eileen

Do you actually have the death cert, or are you just going by the basic online info?
If you have the cert, does it say anything about his wife? Who was the informant?

Eileen I wonder if that is the Charles that is in the workhouse with his brother Rueben? I have the death certificate for Charles Hare died 1904 his informant was his daughter Maud..

The burial entry is on line in the Northampton entries. Eileen

I said that the entry was for a child aged 2!! Not likely to have had a wife. E

Anything for address on that 1842 Eileen?...

Chris :)

nothing,just age.Eileen

Not been following this thread- but is this the entry Chris?:

Church of England Burials:

Name: Charles Ayres
Age: 2
Birth Year: abt 1840
Burial Date: 9 Aug 1842
Burial Place: Northampton, St Sepulchre, Northamptonshire, England
Abode: Leicester Street
Register Type: Bishops Transcripts
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Is Leicester Street where Esther was living in 1841? Meaning the Charles, son of Lucy from Brigstock, looks more likely to have been the man that married Miss Marshall.

Deaths
AYRES, CHARLES 17 - could this be 17 months?
GRO Reference: 1842 S Quarter in NORTHAMPTON UNION Volume 15 Page 185

Yes Ester is in Leicester street in the 1841 census.
Eileen

Ah!, thankyou for checking AQ, wasn't sure if Eileen could see image...(should have looked meself' really was spending too much time looking in newspapers for anything!, and then coming to conclusion that 17 was months, from GRO Index, after not seeing another Death, lol)

So Leicester Street ties in with Esther and Richard Ager, noted (newspapers) he lost a daughter (below) there also (1868) from his Marriage with Bridget Sewell.

(Birth
AGER, MARIAN KATE (SEWELL)
GRO Reference: 1867 S Quarter in NORTHAMPTON UNION Volume 03B Page 56)


And Richard Death at same address 1870.


(reference I posted earlier)

County Northamptonshire
Place Northampton
Church name St Sepulchre
Register type Unspecified
Marriage date 13 Mar 1864
Groom forename Richard
Groom surname AGER
Groom age full age
Groom condition widower
Groom abode Leicester St
Groom occupation grocer
Bride forename Bridget
Bride surname SEWELL
Bride age full age
Bride condition spinster
Bride abode Leicester St
Groom father forename Ezekiel
Groom father surname AGER
Groom father occupation grocer
Bride father forename William
Bride father surname SEWELL
Bride father occupation castrator

https://www.freereg.org.uk/


All Northamptonshire, England, Church of England Burials, 1813-1912 (Ancestry)

Esther Ayres
abt 1817 28 Jun 1863 Northampton, St Sepulchre
(Abode, Leicester Street)


So from the good find of Eileen with 1842, I think that shows it's not those with Lucy/Workhouse 1841 (does it, or have I done too much housework here, and gone 'braindead', lol)

Edits (just checked FMP for address 1851, 1861, and Leicester Street)

Hmm- I thought Sidami was looking for details of the Charles that married Elizabeth Marshall in 1867.

If he is looking for details of that Charles, then he wasn't the son of Esther Masters and Charles Hare, as it looks as though that Charles died in 1842.

Or have I got confused coming into the thread late?

Don't think you are confused. As far as I can make out he/she assumed that they had the right Charles. It is a very common name especially in Lincolnshire. I am pretty sure that he was the one who died in 1842. Quite usual in those days. Maybe we should wait for more contact. Eileen

So if that is the case then Reubin and Charles on 1851 census aren't Esthers either?

Leaving George 1839 as the only one to survive.

Is this George
George 1840 -1913 died in Tynemouth Northumberland, he was married to Lydia born Edinburgh Scotland 1840-1911 Tynemouth.

George on 1911 was a Army Pensioner.
On 1911 census says married 45 years no children born alive,but on 1881 census in London they have son George born @ 1873 in India.

Maryb

Oh grief eh?, lol...

Well Albert Hare son of Charles and Elizabeth Marshall seemed to be the first query...(Albert on another 'Thread)

So, as we can now see, he couldn't have been the one that died...

So, was he the one 1841 in Thrapston Workhouse?...if so, as said earlier, would see what is said for Workhouse Admissions at Northants. Archives...

(yay or nay, lol, lol)

Chris :)

(the more you read back, the worse it gets!)

I'd say it was the Charles in Thrapston Workhouse in 1841 that married Miss Marshall.

In 1851 he's still with Reuben- both state born Bridge stock, Lancashire! Think this is Brigstock, Northants, as on the later census for Charles.

(right!, lol, so would it be that Sue has 2 different brothers Marriage Certs?...

Chris :)

(below posted by her earlier)

Chris this is why I am finding this all very confusing, I tried to research this family a few years ago, just come back to it and still none the wiser. I know Charles is buried in Horncastle he died 1904 age 63 so that makes his birth 1841 so I sent for the birth certificate and it came back as Charles Hare and Esther nee Masters the parents, then Charles got married and he gave his father as Titas?
I have the marriage certificate for that as well.So that confused me.

I know from the 1851 census that there was a Charles in Horncastle with Reuben, so I was taking it that they were brothers I did find on the 1841 census these 2 were in the workhouse in Thrapston ... I also found Esther was with Charles on the 1841 so the other one I found for 1841 with Charles and Reuben was maybe not the right family.

I also have the marriage certificate for Rueben giving his father in 1860 as Charles deceased? So I am still none the wiser , are Charles and Rueben brothers? Family history does stop you sleeping.


(and No, can't see a Titus/Titis either)

If the boys were illegitimate, it's unlikely their father would've had their surname.

Reuben's marriage to Mary Lindsey McCall in 1860 states he was a chimney sweep, 23 years of age. Father- Charles Hare, Shoemaker

Second marriage to Rachel Martin in 1873- Reuben, labourer (Louth Road) is a bachelor! age 32. Father- Titus Hare, cordwainer.
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Charles marriage to Elizabeth Marshall 1867. Charles a chimney sweep age 26 (Louth Road). father Titus Hare, joiner

I give up!!! Just try putting in Charles Hare,not known where born but approx. 1810 (Ester born 1816) There are rather a lot.
Eileen

Other information in the record of Reuben Hare and Rachel Martin
from England Marriages, 1538–1973
Name Reuben Hare
Birth Date 1841
Age 32
Spouse's Name Rachel Martin
Spouse's Birth Date 1853
Spouse's Age 20
Event Date 25 Dec 1873
Event Place Horncastle, Lincoln, England
Father's Name Titus Hare
Spouse's Father's Name John Martin.


m England Marriages, 1538–1973
Name Charles Hare
Birth Date 1841
Age 26
Spouse's Name Elizabeth Marshall
Spouse's Birth Date 1844
Spouse's Age 23
Event Date 1867
Event Place Horncastle, Lincoln, England
Father's Name Titus Hare
Spouse's Father's Name James Marshall

from familysearch.