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Thank YOU Roy for letting us help you with your tree. All the helpers on this board genuinely enjoy looking for longlost rellies and positively relish the opportunity to go digging for information. There are a few of us on this board who are from Scotland so perhaps feel more at home with Scottish place names and districts.

Never ever think of yourself as 'being a pain' and please come back to us if you need any more help.

Liz x

Thanks again for this information I am quietly getting the treee filled in . As for David White's family it seems as the years wnt by he was born earlier and earlier. I can see when I get more sorted out I am going to have to join Scotish people and start to pay to get copies of certs.
Once again thanks for all your help, I know I must have been a pain to you both,

Roy

Death of David? From https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk These should give parents' names and also confirm if these are the correct David and Jean Allan.

WHITE

DAVID

78

1862

280/ 6

Craig



and Jean/ Jane?


WHITE

JANE

81

1864

280/ 20

Craig

Thanks for all this nguys. I am a little busy at work this week but will be doing something with all this info at the weekend.
Once again thanks a lot.

Roy

There is a marriage that could be David and Jean's but there is no detail on it.

WHITE

DAVID

NAME NOT GIVEN/ALLAN/


30/11/1815

269/

10 240

Aberlemno

David White and Jean Allan's children.

Name: David White
Mother: Jean Allan
Father: David White
Birth: 19 May 1815
Baptism: 28 May 1815 - Maryton By Montrose,Angus,Scotland



Name: James White
Mother: Jean Allan
Father: David White
Birth: 4 Jul 1817
Baptism: 14 Jul 1817 - Maryton By Montrose,Angus,Scotland



Name: Thomas White
Mother: Jean Allan
Father: David White
Birth: 22 Jan 1820
Baptism: 30 Jan 1820 - Craig By Montrose,Angus,Scotland



Name: Jean White
Mother: Jean Allan
Father: David White
Birth: 8 Nov 1824
Baptism: 21 Nov 1824 - Craig By Montrose,Angus,Scotland


and one I'm not sure about.

Name: William White
Mother: Mary Allan ???
Father: David White
Birth: 29 Apr 1827
Baptism: 13 May 1827 - Craig By Montrose,Angus,Scotland


I'm wondering if this is the correct family?



1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Craig Breas, Craig, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland


First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
David White Male 55 1786 Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
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Jean White Female 55 1786 Scotland
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James White Male 20 1821 Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
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Jean White Female 15 1826 Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
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William White Male 14 1827 Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland




1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Rossie Craes, Craig, Forfar, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
David Whyte Head Married Male 66 1785 Gardener Aberlemno, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
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Jean Whyte Wife Married Female 66 1785 - Largo, Fife, Scotland
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Jean Whyte Daughter Unmarried Female 25 1826 Dressmaker Craig, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
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Helen Whyte Daughter-In-Law Widow Female 43 1808 Sick Nurse Montrose, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland




1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Back Braes, Craig, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
David White Head Married Male 77 1784 House Proprietor Aberlemno, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
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Jean White Wife Married Female 77 1784 - Largo, Fife, Scotland
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Jean White Daughter Unmarried Female 36 1825 - Craig, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
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David White Grand Son Unmarried Male 15 1846 Lawer's Clerk (Ap) Dun, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland


David could be the son of Thomas White and Elizabeth Nichols.


1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Cottage Craig Braes, Craig, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Jane White Head Unmarried Female 46 1825 House Proprietor Craig, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland



1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Rossie Braes, Craig, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Jane White Head Unmarried Female 68 1823 Living On Private Means Craig, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland



1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Rossie Braes, 3, Craig, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Jane White Head Single Female 75 1826 Living On Own Means Craig, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland

Andrew, son of Thomas and Elizabeth?


1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
60, Union Street, Montrose, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Margaret Robertson Head Unmarried Female 42 1829 Seamstress Logie Pert, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
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Mary Robertson Sister Unmarried Female 40 1831 Dressmaker Logie Pert, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
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>>Andrew White Boarder Unmarried Male 18 1853 Lawyer's Clerk (General) Dun, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland

Hi Liz and Chris, I thank you for all your help you have given me on my search for the White family. I must admit I am a little confused over this family myself, and living in New Zealand does not help. I now know that this line starts from David White and Jean Allan but I have no details on them.It then moved to Thomas and Elisabeth Nicol, of them I have everything but Thomas's death date. Of Thomas's offspring I really have very little except birth dates.
But this is a lot more than I had two weeks ago so I suppose I should count my blessings and once again thank you for your help.

Roy

Thanks Chris, I really hope Roy gets back as I'm sure we could help him further if we knew exactly what he wanted.

Still, we've given him a lot to start him off, I think. :-D :-D

Not sure really ag (now seeing you are Liz, will remember that!) below was the PM...

(as AG is here too, not being rude to you both, you know me by now, lol)

Chris :)


Thanks for the information you have pased on. I am really wishing had not said to my wife I would try and research this tree. I seem to be hitting dead ends where ever I turn. Still one day I might fall upon some information that will open up anythinf. Once again thank you foryour information and anything else you fall on will hopefully help in my reseach. Roy Horwell

Not sure what else he's searching for Chris? He's been given links to a lot of what has been found.

What exactly is he wanting more info on?

Liz <3

PM from Roy, who seems to be struggling somewhat!, any more advice Folks?...

Anything he should be buying, confused meself' really, lol.

Chris :)

From http://www.ancestor.abel.co.uk/Angus/Dun.html#mi

Possible parents of Agnes Mitchell.


[M55; p2720] 1845 Erected by JAMES NICOL in memory of JAMES MITCHILL late black smith in the Leys of Dun who died on the 12th Feby 1790 aged 41 years. Also of ELISABETH BAILLIE who died on the 5th June 1844 aged 91 years & 8 months. And of their children viz JOHN who died in 1786 & ELISABETH who died in 1788 both in childhood


[M53; p2721; flaking] 1867 Sacred to the memory of JAMES NICOL, farmer, East Leys of Dun, who died 11th Feby 1861, in the 70th year of his age, Also AGNES MITCHELL, his wife, who died 9th October 1865, in the 78th year of her age. Erected by their daughter, AGNES, in grateful remembrance. "Them also which sleep in J[esus] will God bring with him."

[M54; p2722; at foot of M53] Here lie the ashes of GEORGE SOUTAR, Esq., M.A., B.Litt., born at Leys of Dun 28th Dec. 1864, died 9th Feb. 1939. Grandson of the above.
Also in memory of his wife, JANET AITKEN, born 10th July 1864, died 17th May 1944. Cremated at Edinburgh

[p2723] Sacred to the memory of ELIZABETH NICOL, wife of THOMAS WHITE, farmer, Gilrivie, who died 12th January 1871, aged 52 years. "Whom the lord loveth he chasteneth." This memorial is erected by her sons.

Possible for Elizabeth's family. All from http://search.findmypast.co.uk/


1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Leys of Dun, Dun, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
James Nicol Male 45 1796 Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
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Agnes Nicol Female 45 1796 Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
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Jean Nicol Female 15 1826 Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
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Susan Nicol Female 15 1826 Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
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Agnes Nicol Female 10 1831 Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
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Elisabeth Baillie Female 85 1756 Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland




1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Leys of Dun, Dun, Forfar, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Nicol Head Married Male 57 1794 Farmer (Of 57 Acres 4 Ag Labrs 1 Man 2 Boys & 1 Woman) Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
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Agnes Nicol Wife Married Female 61 1790 Farmer's Wife Dun, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
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Jean Nicol Daughter Unmarried Female 27 1824 Farmer's Daughter Dun, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
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Susan Nicol Daughter Unmarried Female 25 1826 Farmer's Daughter Dun, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
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James Thomson Grand Son - Male 2 1849 Grandson Dun, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
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Catherine Colville Servant Unmarried Female 16 1835 General Servant Ag Lab Fordoun, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
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David Hampton Servant - Male 13 1838 Ag Lab Herd Dun, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
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John Anderson Servant - Male 11 1840 Ag Lab Herd Dun, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland



1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Farm House Leys of Dun, Dun, The Parish of Dun, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Agnes Nicol Head Widow Female 72 1789 Farmer Of Fifty Acres Employing 1 Man 2 Boy & 1 Girl Dun, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
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Susan Nicol Daughter Married Female 34 1827 - Dun, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
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George Soutar Son-In-Law Married Male 34 1827 Ploughman Montrose, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
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James Thomson Grand Son - Male 12 1849 Scholar Dun, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
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John Carnegie Servant - Male 16 1845 Ag Lab Brechin, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
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James Kydd Servant - Male 13 1848 Ag Lab Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
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Elisabeth Stewart Servant Unmarried Female 18 1843 Dairy Maid Laurencekirk, Kincardineshire, Scotland

Back to James 1847's family. This looks like the baptism of his father.


Scotland Births and Baptisms 1564-1950 Transcription
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First name(s) Thomas
Last name White
Gender Male
Birth year 1820
Birth place -
Baptism year 1820
Baptism date 30 Jan 1820
Baptism place CRAIG BY MONTROSE,ANGUS,SCOTLAND
Father's first name(s) David
Father's last name White
Mother's first name(s) Jean
Mother's last name Allan
Place Craig by Montrose


and possibly his mother.



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First name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Nichol
Gender Female
Birth year 1817
Birth place -
Baptism year 1817
Baptism date 01 Jul 1817
Baptism place DUN,ANGUS,SCOTLAND
Father's first name(s) James
Father's last name Nichol
Mother's first name(s) Agnes
Mother's last name Mitchell
Place Dun



1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Farm House of Gilrivie, Dun, Forfar, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas White Head Married Male 33 1818 Farmer (Of 120 Acres 4 Labourers 2 Men 1 Woman & 1 Boy Craig, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
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Elisabeth White Wife Married Female 34 1817 Farmer's Wife Dun, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
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David White Son - Male 5 1846 Farmer's Son Dun, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
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James White Son - Male 3 1848 Farmer's Son Dun, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
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William White Son - Male 1 1850 Farmer's Son Dun, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
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Jane Scott Servant Unmarried Female 21 1830 Kitchen Maid Fettercairn, Kincardineshire, Scotland
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Mary Gavin Servant Unmarried Female 18 1833 Ag Lab Fettercairn, Kincardineshire, Scotland
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Alexander Stewart Servant - Male 17 1834 Ag Lab Fordoun, Kincardineshire, Scotland


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
St Davids Street, Brechin, Brechin Burgh, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Whyte Head Married Male 42 1819 Stone Mason Craig, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
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Elizabeth Whyte Wife Married Female 43 1818 - Dun, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
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James Whyte Son - Male 13 1848 Scholar Dun, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
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Andrew Whyte Son - Male 8 1853 Scholar Dun, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland

Marriages from https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/search

1927/10745 Allison Christian Cathcart Ernest White

1915/7286 Daisy Rosaline Parsons William Thomson White

1915/7287 Marian Sarah Bowers James Thomson White

She had been married previously.

1906/7086 Marian Sarah Preston William Paterson Bowers


Births

1917/18997 White Eunice Isabella Marion Sarah James Thomson

1917/19011 White Elvyn Thomson Daisy Rosaline William Thomson


Death

1994/35244 White Elvyn Thomson 13 March 1917


Name: ELVYN THOMSON, WHITE
Age at Death: 77 Years
Gender: Male
Date of Death: Tuesday, 03 May 1994
Date of Burial: Friday, 13 May 1994
Cremation Date: Friday, 06 May 1994
Occupation: SHIPPING AGENT
Cemetery: Green Point Cemetery
Undertaker: Macdonald & Weston
Classification - Block/Plot: Soldiers Avenue - 8 / 1J
Block Map: View Map (PDF)
All records for this plot;


Inscription

ET White

15997 2nd NZEF S/Sgt

NZ Infantry

Died 3.5.1994 aged 77 yrs

Name: ERNEST, WHITE
Age at Death: 54 Years
Gender: Male
Date of Death: Thursday, 12 July 1945
Date of Burial: Wednesday, 18 July 1945
Occupation:
Cemetery: Bluff Cemetery
Undertaker:
Classification - Block/Plot: General - 8 / 301
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All records for this plot;

WHITE ALLISON CHRISTISON 87 Years Bluff Cemetery Female


Inscription

In loving memory of

Ernest

Beloved husband of

Allison C White

Passed away 12th July 1945

Aged 54 years

also the above

Allison C White

Died 5th June 1981 aged 87 years

Fond memories linger



Name: JAMES THOMSON, WHITE
Age at Death: 83 Years
Gender: Male
Date of Death: Sunday, 15 November 1964
Date of Burial: Wednesday, 18 November 1964
Occupation: RTD STOREMAN
Cemetery: Bluff Cemetery
Undertaker: Beaton & Linquist
Classification - Block/Plot: General - 3 / 16
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All records for this plot;

EAST William Edmund 2 Years Bluff Cemetery Male
LOWE BABY Infant Bluff Cemetery Unknown
PRESTON AGNES 62 Years Bluff Cemetery Female
PRESTON MARY J 1 Days Bluff Cemetery Female
PRESTON ROSE Years Bluff Cemetery Female
WHITE MARION SARAH 92 Years Bluff Cemetery Female
PRESTON William 72 Years Bluff Cemetery Male



Name: WILLIAM THOMPSON, WHITE
Age at Death: 70 Years
Gender: Male
Date of Death: Wednesday, 06 October 1954
Date of Burial: Friday, 08 October 1954
Occupation:
Cemetery: Bluff Cemetery
Undertaker:
Classification - Block/Plot: General - 1 / 31
Block Map: View Map (PDF)
All records for this plot;

WHITE DAISY ROSALINE 86 Years Bluff Cemetery Female


Inscription

In loving memory of

William Thomson

Beloved husband of

Daisy Rosaline White

Died 6th Oct 1954 aged 70 years

Also the above

Daisy Rosaline White

Died 2nd Dec 1981 aged 86 years


All from http://icc.govt.nz/cemeteries/cemetery-search/

Allison White
in the New Zealand, Electoral Rolls, 1853-1981

Name: Allison Christison White
Electoral Year: 1928
District: Awarua
Region or Province: Southland

Address: Athenly Street.

No other Whites listed at Athenly Street.

James Thomson White (storeman) is at Boyne Street, Bluff in 1928, with his wife, Marian Sarah

William Thomson White (storeman) is at Liffey Street, Bluff. There's also a Daisy Rosaline White listed in Liffey Street - maybe his wife?

I'm assuming this is Ernest's birth - it's in the right year and area, anyway:

Ernest White
in the New Zealand, Birth Index, 1840-1950
Name: Ernest White
Birth Date: Apr-May-Jun 1891
Registration Place: Campbelltown, New Zealand
Folio Number: 2081


Maybe his death??

Ernest White
in the New Zealand, Cemetery Records, 1800-2007
Name: Ernest White
Birth Date: abt 1891
Death Age: 54
Death Date: 12 Jul 1945
Burial Place: Southland, New Zealand
Cemetery: Bluff
Spouse Name: Allison C White
Spouse Death Age: 87
Spouse Death Date: 5 Jun 1981

Ernest (of Athelney Street) was buried 18 July 1945.
His wife Allison Christianson (of Christchurch) was buried 11 June 1981.




Also listed in the image of this record are:

Andrew White, died 8 Nov 1963, age 76.
Isabella, 25 Aug 1915, age 68
James, 13 May 1928, age 82
James Thomson, 15 Nov 1964, age 83
Marion Sarah, 2 March 1975, age 92
William Thomson, 6 Oct 1954, age 70

For years of birth.


1889/7260 White David Isabella James

1883/4612 White Isabella Thomson Isabella James

1887/18679 White Andrew Isabella James

1884/18581 White William Thomson Isabella James

1881/9065 White James Thomson Isabella James

1891/8233 White Ernest Isabella James


David's accidental death was reported above and Isabella's marriage and death also.
Andrew's burial is also above.