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Yes, I also saw these with mother Lydia but now with the bankrupt info and being in business with Thomas R Kemp who is Thomas Reginald Kemp Louisa's father I feel that perhaps Alfred was older - more Thomas's age .
Also as we cant find any B or D records for him maybe he was born overseas and died in a different country. We'll get there !! thanks for your efforts and anything else I will be keen to look at.

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Possibly Thomas Reginald Kemp who was a bill broker was previously in business with a George Clay (from The London Gazette)

WHEREAS the Court, authorized to act in the prosecution
of a Petition for' adjudication of Bankruptcy,
filed on the 16th day of May, 1857, against
Thomas Reginald Kemp and George Clay, of No. 7,
Nicholas-lane, Lombard-street, in the city of London, Bill
Brokers and Copartners, trading under the style or firm of
Kemp, Clay and Co., has, on the application of the said
bankrupts, appointed a public sitting under such Petition,
to be held before John Samuel Martin Fonblanque,
Esq., one of Her Majesty's Commissioners of the Court
of Bankruptcy, on the 1st day of September next, at
twelve of the clock at noon precisely, at the Court of
Bankruptcy, in Basinghall-street, London, for the allowance
of the Certificate of-the said bankrupts' conformity
to the laws now in force concerning bankrupts,
according to the form and subject to the provisions of
the Statute, passed in the Parliament holden in the' twelfth
and thirteenth years of the reign of Her present Majesty,
intituled " The Bankrupt Law Consolidation Act, 1849;"
this is to give notice, that such Court will sit, at the time
and place above mentioned, for the purpose aforesaid; when
and where any of the creditors of the said bankrupts, who
shall have given due notice of their intention to oppose, may
be heard against the allowance of such Certificate, and the
same will be allowed, unless cause be then and there shewn
to the contrary, or such other order will be made therein as
the justice of the case may require.
WHEREAS the Court, authorized to act

Thanks for that - can I view the bankrupt papers or do I have to subscribe?

There are bankruptcy notices in the newspapers for Thomas Reginald Kemp in 1849 and 1857.

I'll have a scour and if there are any with significant details I'll send them to your inbox (unless you already have newspaper articles?)

There is quite a lot about him but all on the same lines. I couldn't find anything for Alfred as Howell or Maitland

There's also extensive reporting of T R Kemp's death caused by apoplexy connected with the trial of Banner Oakley.

Rosie have a look at this it is too long to copy and paste on to here

http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18551126-66&div=t18551126-66&terms=kemp#highlight

Just adding a note about Julia Alicia Griesbach - there is a marriage (and licence application) in 1866 to Walter Dickinson esq - the couple live in Hammersmith from 1871 to 1911, but no Maitland connection at that address. Perhaps Julia was a friend of Louisa's?

Julia b approx 1833, her father was a professor of music:

Julia Rebecca Griesbach (image looks more like Alicia)
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Amy Griesbach
Mother's name: Mirona Griesbach
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Marylebone, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Paddington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: St Mary Paddington
ED, institution, or vessel: 10b

Household schedule number: 402
Piece: 1466
Folio: 488
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
John Amy Griesbach 52
Mirona Griesbach 53
Henry John Fredk Griesbach 30
Mira Mary Griesbach 20
Ellen Griesbach 26
Georgina Kate Griesbach 23
Edward Griesbach 19
Julia Rebecca Griesbach 18
Emily Jane Griesbach 13
Caroline Griffiths 29
Mary Blopp 26

- and again no Maitlands

Robert H Reed or Robert Hopke Reed (also a musician) is straightforward to find in the census returns, b approx 1830 in Somerset, and from 1861 onwards, with his daughter Arabella Reed born in 1860 (11 months old in 1861). His mother-in-law (his first wife's mother, Ann Banderio) is in the same household on several returns, including the 1851 census. No Maitlands here either.

In various newspaper articles, and on his marriage certificate, Alfred Howell Maitland's address is Blackfriar's Road.

Haven't found him yet in 1861 but did find this lady:

MAITLAND, Julia K Head Married F 28 1833 House Holder Redditch, Worcestershire
DOWLING, Alice Servant Unmarried F 43 1818 Domestic Cook Ireland
ANDREWS, Eliza Servant Unmarried F 20 1841 House Maid ..., Middlesex

RG number: RG09 Piece: 312 Folio: 11 Page: 29
Sub District: 1 Christchurch

Address: 75, Blackfriars Road, Christchurch County: London, Surrey

Who is her husband and where is he?

Hi MarieCeleste,

Please can you tell me which site you use to look for newspaper articles and advertisements as this may help me with my lost ancestors. I think that maybe Rosie need to get the certificate for the one and onle death for Alfred Maitland in 1860, if only to rule him out.

Wendy

This family tree gives a lot about the family of Thomas Reginald Kemp and says that Louise married a second time after the death of her first husband but doesn't offer any proof

http://www.mackayresearch.com/kemp-family2.html

Hi Wendy, I have a sub to the British Newspaper Archive https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk

You can buy credits too.

I believe people who have a platinum sub here on Genes can also get the BNA as an add-on.

Hi - had to close yesterday evening so just reading all the posts that I missed. Thank you so much everyone for such alot of info on my mysterious Alfred Howell Maitland - I will now take a closer look at everything and hopefully we can piece things together.

I have had a quick look on the Perry's Bankrupt Gazette site but cant get access to info - do you have to subscribe to view?

I think that Thomas Reginald Kemp like alot of his family members and in laws have lots of skeletons in their cupboards - interesting research anyway!

Thanks again and if anything else of interest crops up please let me know

Kind regards Rosie :-D

PS the Mackay website is my fellow researcher for our Kemps - thanks for that anyway x

Thank you MarieCeleste for the newspaper site link, I will have a look now.

Wendy

Found this article. It's about Julia K Maitland. She may well have been one of the witnesses to the marriage of Alfred Howell Maitland to Louisa Kemp, as Kate Julia Maitland??

Also states that Alfred was just Alfred Howell originally and assumed the name Maitland.

It looks like she was Alfred's lover, so was the marriage to Louisa a scam??


Trewman's Exeter Flying Post or Plymouth and Cornish Advertiser (Exeter, England), Wednesday, November 2, 1870; Issue 5446.


Mr Edward Ward last week asked the Birmingham Magistrates to rescind a protection order which had been granted a year ago to a woman who styled herself Catherine Julia Ward, and swore that she had been deserted by her husband. The circumstances of the case, stated by Mr Ward, were that in September 1844, Catherine Holycake, spinster, was married to him at St Pancras Church, London. They lived together until August 1849, when he, with the full knowledge and consent of his wife, went for six weeks trip up the Rhine with some friends. On his return he found that his wife had been unfaithful, and she ultimately left him and went to live with one Alfred Howell. Howell changed his name to Maitland, and put forth to the world that he was the brother of Mrs Ward, who assumed the name of Julia Maitland. In September 1855, Mrs Ward, describing herself as Julia Holycake Maitland, spinster, went through the marriage ceremony with a Major Westmacott, who called himself a widower, but who really had a wife and family living. The ceremony took place at Greenwich, and the witnesses to the marriage were Eliza Bowden, sister to the bride, and her husband, both of whom were present at Mrs Ward,s first marriage, and who knew Mr Ward was alive at the time of the second. In 1869, Mrs Ward, calling herself Catherine Julia Ward, applied to the Birmingham Magistrates for an order protecting her earnings, which was granted. Mr Morris said it was intended to prosecute the Bowdens, Westmacott, and other parties for conspiracy, but it was necessary to get the protection order rescinded first. Mrs Ward had been served with a notice to appear, but instead of obeying it she had written a letter admitting her guilt. She would be called as Queens's evidence in the prosecution. The bench rescinded the order.

Catherine - that is fantastic!! You've found the missing link.

Moreover, when you look again at the witnesses on the 1860 marriage the name that people on here thought was "Kate ......... Maitland" I think could be "Julie Holycake Maitland".

Now, if she was Alfred Howell's lover why was she a witness at his marriage? I think they were up to no good ........

Definitely up to no good. And if Alfred was old enough to have an affair with a married woman in 1849, he was certainly very much older than his child bride Louisa.

Wonder if he made up his title 'Captain' as well?

Her first marriage:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Edward Ward, bachelor - merchant clerk
Age: Full Age
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Spouse Name: Catherine Holyoake, spinster
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 2 Sep 1844
Parish: St Pancras Parish Chapel
Borough: Camden
Father Name: William Ward - Gent
Spouse Father Name: John Holyoake - Needlemaker
Register Type: Parish Register

Both lived Fitzroy Square.

Witnesses Robt J Lettin and Charlotte Holyoake.

Note: Written across the record is "The parties had previously married in New York"

Looks like she was fibbing about her age on the 1861 census!