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LK, yes I agreed with you. I can't find it, too.

I think Julia McKnight might be married in the Register Office at Woolwich. Because I can't find Gertrude Rutherford (Allen) and Jane McKnight’s marriages in the London marriages collection. Both of them were at The Register Office.

So The Register Office certificates might not be in the London marriage collection.

I will get a copy of Julia's marriage certificate next week.

In theory this should be on the London marriages collection.

I cannot find it tthough.

Hi LK, I think I would buy a copy of Julie McKnight and Michael Martin's marriage certificate. They were married at Woolwich in 1880. I hope their witnesses would be John and Margaret Allen or anyone with Allen.

Last night, I found a copy of Julie's first marriage certificate to Robert McKnight. They were married at Dublin in 1866. Their witnesses were Eliza Leeson and William Johnston. Julie's maiden was Doyle. However, I think it does not help any thing with Allens.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1277168

Hi LK,

I have not heard from Yvonne about her tree of Robert Tetlow. She is not opening a purple envelope yet, never mind.

Finally, I received a copy of Jane McKnigh's marriage certificate today. I am surprised to read who her witnesses were. It was James and Mary Rook (Rutherford). Jane and Robert lived at 27 Dicey Street Woolwich. They were married at The Register Office in Woolwich. That's where Gertrude and her husband George were married at the same place in 1915.

So Jane knew of James and Mary Rutherford (Rook) before. Mystery, I still could not find James and Mary's marriage. I tried with Rook but nothing to find it.

I wonder that Jane would know John and Margaret Allen. Too many mysteries.

LK, yes, that were them in 1861 census of Pearce.

Yes, there is so many coincidences around Allens.

Recently, I found that Moses Pearce's illegtmate granddaughter, Charlotte Pearce's marriage in Woolwich where her witness Richard Allen was. However, I could not find out who he was. I really hope he would connect to Gertrude.

Name: Charlotte Pearce
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Spouse Name: Joseph Gilmer
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 24 Dec 1888
Parish: St Mary Magdalene, Woolwich
County: Kent
Borough: Greenwich
Father Name: John Pearce (should be Jarvis)
Spouse Father Name: David Gilmer
Witnesses: Richard Allen and Cecilia Jarvis (Charlotte's sister).

This would be Edward(moses) Pearces family. Charlotte was born Hastings so mabe not connected

1861 census - household transcription
Person: PEARCE, Moses
Address: 3, Trinity Street, Woolwich
PEARCE, Moses Head Married M 50 1811 Carpenter
Pevensey
Sussex
PEARCE, Charlotte Wife Married F 45 1816 Laundress
HastingsSussex
PEARCE, Charlotte A Daughter Unmarried F 16 1845
WoolwichKent
PEARCE, Moses E Son M 14 1847
WoolwichKent
PEARCE, Rebecca Daughter F 12 1849 Servant
WoolwichKent
PEARCE, Cecelia Daughter F 10 1851 Scholar
WoolwichKent
PEARCE, Elizabeth Daughter F 8 1853 Scholar
Woolwich Kent
PEARCE, Frederick Son M 4 1857 Scholar
WoolwichKent

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations),1861-1941
about Robert Tetlow
Name:Robert Tetlow
Probate Date:25 Aug 1916
Death Date:29 Apr 1916
Death Place:Kent, England
Registry:London

He died at the Royal Arsenal 29 04 1916 leaving £144 14s 3d to Jane

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Robert Tetlow
Name:Robert Tetlow
Birth Date:abt 1869
Date of Registration:
Apr-May-Jun 1916
Age at Death:47
Registration district:Woolwich
Inferred County:London
Volume:1d
Page:1206

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Frank Tetlow
Name:Frank Tetlow
Record Type:Baptism
Estimated Birth Date:abt 1906
Baptism Date:10 Jul 1906
Father's name:Robert Tetlow
Mother's name:Jane Tetlow
Parish or Poor Law Union:Woolwich St Mary Magdalene
Borough:Greenwich
53 Llanover Road
father is a foreman at the Royal Arsenal

That would be a good idea. \there is definitely a relationship of some type there. I cannot find the link with Ada yet.
I am also trying to find the link with the Sibthorpes. There are too many coincidences.

Hi LK, that's amazing. Many thanks for your help.

It is really interested about 27 Dicey St. So Rutherford family would move to 27 Dicey after 1899. Jane McKnight might know Rutherford family?

There is Robert Tetlow in GR family tree so I will contact them if they know anything about it. If not, I might order Robert Tetlow and Jane McKnight's marriage certificate to see who their witnesses were.

1911 census - household transcription
Person: COLE, Ada
Address: 17 Chapel Place Ramsgate
COLE, Rose Head Single F 19 1892 Shopkeeper Confectioner Essex Victoria Docks VIEW
COLE, Ada Sister Single F 21 1890 Nil Kent Woolwich VIEW
COLE, Florence Sister Single F 9 1902 School Essex Silverlown

1901 census - household transcription
Person: COLE, Ada
Address: 8, Hartman Street, West Ham
COLE, Edwin Head Married M 36 1865 Labourer In Docks
Birmingham
Warwickshire
COLE, Bessie Wife Married F 36 1865
St Keverne
Cornwall
COLE, Ada Daughter F 12 1889
Woolwich
London
COLE, Rose Daughter F 9 1892
Custom House
Essex
COLE, Mable Daughter F 6 1895
Woolwich
London

Marriages Dec 1888 COLE Edwin Helston 5c 341
MARTIN Bessie Helston 5c 341
The district Helston is in the county of Cornwall;

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Edwin Cole
Name:Edwin Cole
Spouse Name:Bessie Martin of porthallow Cornwall spinster
Record Type:Banns
Marriage Bann Date:07 Oct 1888
Parish:St Mary Magdalene, Woolwich
County:Kent
Borough:Greenwich

1881 census - household transcription
Person: MARTIN, Bessie
Address: The Rectory, Streatham
NICHOLLS, John R Head Married M 71 1810 Rector Of Streatham
Bletchingley
Surrey
NICHOLLS, Matilda Wife Married F 58 1823
Mistley
Essex
NICHOLLS, Agnes M Daughter Single F 37 1844
Gt. Holland
Essex
NICHOLLS, Constance Daughter Single F 34 1847
Streatham
Surrey
NICHOLLS, Katherine Daughter Single F 23 1858
Streatham
Surrey
NICHOLLS, Annie Daughter Single F 20 1861 Scholar
Streatham
Surrey
NICHOLLS, Arthur E Son Single M 18 1863 Scholar
Streatham
Surrey
NICHOLLS, Mary E Grand Daughter Single F 14 1867 Scholar
Streatham
Surrey
PULLEN, Susannah Servant Single F 30 1851 Parlourmaid Domestic Serv
West Mersey
Essex
BUTLER, Emily Servant Single F 29 1852 Cook Domestic Serv
Selborne
Hampshire
CUTLER, Mansell Servant Single F 21 1860 Housemaid Domestic Serv
Wandsworth
Surrey
TAYLOR, Caroline E Servant Single F 59 1822 Housekeeper Domestic Serv
Dedham
Essex
BUCKWELL, Emily Servant Single F 15 1866 Housemaid Domestic Serv
Croydon
Surrey
MARTIN, Bessie Servant Single F 15 1866 Kitchenmaid Domestic Serv
St. Keverne
Cornwall

Deaths Mar 1952 (94%)
TETLOW Jane 81 Woolwich 5d 970

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Eunice Tetlow
Name:Eunice Tetlow
Birth Date:30 Jul 1903
Date of Registration:Dec 1988
Age at Death:85
Registration district:Tower Hamlets
Inferred County:London
Volume:14
Page:1266

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Eunice Tetlow
Name:Eunice Tetlow
Record Type:Baptism
Estimated Birth Date:abt 1903
Baptism Date:1 Sep 1903
Father's name:Robert Tetlow
Mother's name:Jane Tetlow
Parish or Poor Law Union:
Woolwich St Mary Magdalene
Borough:Greenwich

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Fred Tetlow
Name:Fred Tetlow
Record Type:Baptism
Estimated Birth Date:abt 1901
Baptism Date:7 May 1901
Father's name:Robert Tetlow
Mother's name:Jane Tetlow
Parish or Poor Law Union:Woolwich St Mary Magdalene
Borough:Greenwich
28 dicey street

1901 census - household transcription
Person: TETLOW, Robert H
Address: 28, Dicey Street, Woolwich
TETLOW, Robert Head Married M 32 1869 Government Clerk In Arsenal
CastletonLancashire
TETLOW, Jane Wife Married F 30 1871 DorchesterDorsetshire
TETLOW, John M Son M 11 1890 St PancrasLondon
TETLOW, Robert H Son M 8 1893 WoolwichLondon
TETLOW, Edward Son M 2 1899 WoolwichLondon
TETLOW, Fred Son M 0 (UNDER 1 MOS) 1901 WoolwichLondon

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Edward Tetlow
Name:Edward Tetlow
Record Type:Baptism
Estimated Birth Date:abt 1899
Baptism Date:24 Jan 1899
Father's name:Robert Tetlow
Mother's name:Jane Tetlow
Parish or Poor Law Union:Woolwich St Mary Magdalene
Borough:Greenwich
and guess what?
27 Dicey Street

janes marriage

Marriages Sep 1897 (>99%)
McKnight Jane Woolwich 1d 2221
TETLOW Robert Woolwich 1d 2221


1911 census - household transcription
Person: TETLOW, Robert Henry
Address: 46 Llanover Road Plumstead Woolwich
TETLOW, Robert Head Married M 42 1869 Foreman A O Dept Lancashire Castleton
TETLOW, Jane Wife Married
22 years F 40 1871 Dorset Dorchester
TETLOW, Robert Henry Son Single M 18 1893 Shop Assistant Kent Woolwich
TETLOW, Edward Son M 12 1899 School Kent Woolwich
TETLOW, Fred Son M 10 1901 School Kent Woolwich
TETLOW, Eunice Daughter F 7 1904 School Kent Woolwich
TETLOW, Frank Son M 4 1907 Kent Plumstead
TETLOW, Harry Son M 2 1909 Kent Plumstead