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Thank you very much for all your help

I think I will have to put this on hold once again.

Eliminating them on the 1901 may be quite awkward as I think there are quite a few Arthurs (35)

Once again many thanks

Sorry, I hadn't refreshed the page before I posted the above.

It is fairly common for the child to be given the father's surname as a middle name and the father's name blank on the certificate. For the father to be named on the illegitmate child's birth he must be present at the registry office. In this case the father may have been at sea.

Of course, all this is assuming that his parents weren't married. We may be doing them a complete injustice...........

Until you find a birth certificate with his father as Edward and the correct occupation, there really no real way of knowing for sure. Sorry to harp back to the made up thing but often there is an element of truth. The only way forward is to gradually eliminate the Arthurs on the 1901 census.

At least with my pesky Watsons I had the advantage that they were Scottish and in Scotland a marriage entry names both parents and I was to track the mother that he gave on his marriage - even although he gave a made up name for his father! (PS he knew his father's name as there was a corrected entry on the register made after his Mum took his father to court to prove paternity)

Although it does not give a surname on the birth cert I have would, it have not said fathers name rather than left blank i..e. .................... Adams

Fathers occupation on the 1922 cert was Ship Steward deceased.

Thanks again

Umm I wonder?

Arthurs son - Arthur Junior - said in conversation, although vrery vague about it they came from Scotland

Any thoughts about the name Edward - do you think I am right in assuming he was Arthur Snrs real father

Thanks

There are a few possible Arthur Adam folk in the area on the census. I am just wondering if his father was Arthur surname Adam? Did Arthur give an occupation for his "Edward" on the marriage certificate.

I need to go out just now but shouldn't be more than an hour.

Different birthplace in 1881 (both parents born Scotland)
Name: Julia Watson
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Watson
Mother's Name: Margret Watson
Gender: Female
Where born: Plumstead, Kent, England

Civil parish: East Ham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address: Albert Road Julian House Grocer & Plumbing Shop
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: West Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 49a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Watson 49
Margret Watson 49
Margret Watson 22
Agness Watson 15
Christine Watson 2
Robert Watson 13
Elizabeth Watson 10
Julia Watson 8
Thomas Bryant 19

Just found her on the 1881 census - thanks for posting the 1901 to cofirm

Any more ideas please??

Many thanks

Paula

1901

Name: Julia Watson
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Margaret Watson
Gender: Female
Where born: Woolwich, London, England

Civil parish: East Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: North Woolwich St John
Town: East Ham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address: 66 Albert Road

Occupation: No Occupation given (The other adults in the household are working)

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: East Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 72
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 19
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret Watson 67
Lizzie Watson 28
Julia Watson 27
Maggie Watson 42
Lizzie Watson 9
John Watson 7

Hi thanks for replying.

I had not checked the 1901 for Julia Watson (mother on cert) as I have no credits left.

Julia Watson 27 London Woolwich Essex East Ham

Assuming this is a possible as the others on the 1901 are a little too old and also appears to be correct area. The address was 276 Canon Hall Road, Canon Hall London West Ham district. OR POSSIBLY CANN HALL ROAD not very clear

I fully understand the comments about a "made up name" but my way of thinking is that Edward appears to be a family name. i.e. First son of Arthur is named Ernest Edward and second son Arthur - if I am assuming they are using the usual manner of naming children??

The other thing is that this cert says Arthur Adams (is Adams the middle name?) or the surname. I think this is a middle name in which case seems even more unlikley to be connected.

I am really at a loss as to where to go from here. Can't go forwards or backwards and stuck in the time warp. HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks

Paula

Paula, If the Arthur that was a "Nurse Child" is your Arthur, then it is not surprising that there is no father's name on the birth certificate. As Jonesey has said, often illegitimate people made up a father's name for appearances.

What was the mother's name on the certificate and the address please? Have you found that Arthur on census records?

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Received the birth cert for Arthur Adams Watson as above NO MATCH

There is no fathers name or occupation. So it looks as if I am back to the drawing board.

Thanks

Is it the correct Eliza and were they at 88,Coutts st on 1881 census.

Maryb

Eliza Berry married a William Brown found hem in the 1881 \NOT the 1871 census it would appear that they had two girls Ada and Eliza - no match found for a Brown/Watson on freebmd

Eliza Brown's maidenname was Downton and her father was in the Navy.

Still waiting for a birth cert for Arthur Watson BUT am not hopeful of a correct match.

Thanks all

Heard back from one person and no connection as far as I can make out

Thanks

Paula

OK Paula,I think it is the same William 1837 as on 1911 and from Banbury and a boat man.

Hope they can give you some info.Unless they lost track of him.
I think it must be Ann they are linked to as they don't have Emily.

Maryb