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COCKINGS, William Head Married M 42 1869 Copper Smelter Glamorganshire VIEW
COCKINGS, Sarah Wife Married
21 years F 42 1869 Household Duty Swansea VIEW
COCKINGS, William Henry Son Single M 19 1892 Fitter Copper Works Swansea VIEW
COCKINGS, Mathew David Son M 18 1893 Swansea VIEW
COCKINGS, Violet Daughter F 11 1900 School Swansea VIEW
COCKINGS, Nellie Daughter F 4 1907 Swansea VIEW
COCKINGS, Charlie Son M 2 1909 Swansea VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
32740 Reference:
RG14PN32740 RG78PN1869 RD594 SD2 ED3 SN259

fantastic records you given me here and what a massive family i think violet would of had many more children if she did not die so young, i going to phone my aunt marion now to ask about her fathers father and see if she can remember the name violet aswell xx

Just to let you know exactly what Ancestry did with the transcription in 1901:
1901 Ancestry
Name: Violet Rings
Age in 1901: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1900
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: William Coe Rings
Mother's name: Sarah Rings
Gender: Female
Where born: S Sea, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish: Swansea
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration district: Swansea
Sub-registration district: Llangafelach
ED, institution, or vessel: 23

Household schedule number: 110
Household Members:
Name Age
William Coe Rings 31
Sarah Rings 31
Willie Rings 10
Matthew Rings 9
Violet Rings 1
Sarah Hare 72
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 5073; Folio: 91; Page: 19.

Sigh.

Maureen

Rings!! LOL

Thanks for the giggle Maureen, you can always rely on Ancestry for a laugh! ;-)))

Mary

i deleted the link but kept a copy just incase we need it, i do same on page 3 now x

just phone aunt marion no answer i will try her again soon it's not like her to be out on a sunday this time of the day so i wonder where shes gone, she told me around 2 yrs ago when i was questioning her about her fathers side of the family and i am sure she said she was around 7 yrs old her father took her to london to meet her grandfather, she remember s this so well cos her grandfather gave her some money and when they were coming home she remembers Joe taking it off her and never giving it back to her so this is why i remember her telling me this cos it was quite a shocker my grandad joe behaving like this. so i say between 7 and 9 yrs the most when she met him

Nooooooo Michelle nooooooooo!!!! LOL

See what happens when you post something that is too long? I can't read your post now. :-((

Mary

In case we need it again :-))

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yes i saw it now but i didn't see this happen on page 2 so i deleted the link but kept a copy just incase, sorry for not understand in first place x

No worries Michelle - we're sorted now :-)))))

What year was your aunt born?

Mary

Mary just so you know aunt marion was born in 1941 she is eldest of 8 kids born from olwen and joe x

Hmmmm, there are no Josiah John deaths in the London area.........there are a couple of Joseph John deaths after 1947 in London.

So perhaps I am on the wrong track with the birth of Joseph being Josiah?? :-((

Mary

oh i hope not cos everything at beginning makes so much sense, i trying aunt marion again and uncle howl see what they say x

it also makes sense it got to be him cos Josephs middle name is William and in the census records the i saw the name william many times, soi still think it could be x

Maybe great grandfather changed his name to Joseph later on aswell?

Hi Michelle

Yes, it's always possible that ggfather was known as Joseph.

It's also possible that ggfather lived in London for a while, but didn't die there.

I really think you need to get the marriage cert for Olwen and Joseph before we can get any further........no point going down the wrong line is there. :-((

Mary

Yes i agree we need the marriage certifcate and the TNA records should help to i just wish i could buy them now and download the straight away!

I waiting for marion and howl to answer the phones being the oldest they will know more, i will keep trying x

Hi Michelle

Hmmmm, maybe I am on the right track??

Marriage and death - and I can't find any other Lydia A M marrying a John, so perhaps??

Name: Lydia A M Burridge
Spouse Surname: John
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1923
Registration district: Llanelly
Registration county (inferred): Carmarthenshire
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 2269
Find Spouse: Josiah John


Name: Lydia A M John
Death Registration Month/Year: 1968
Age at death (estimated): 76
Registration district: Chelsea
Inferred County: London
Volume: 5a
Page: 667


Mary

Thanks Mary

sorry for delay was on phone to my aunts partner questioning him cos marion is still out she will be back by 5 pm so i will call back and find out more shortly,

if my aunt visited him as a child in London then i would choose the chelsea marriage but until i spoke with marion and howl i am not sure, i will phone howl next see if hes back indoors

thanks so much for ur help and patience xx

Hi Michelle,

have sent you a PM (private message) which will come to your inbox.

Cathy

The missing Vera W John is still bugging me! I can't find anything for her at all. :-((

Mary

Mary i spoke with my uncle Howl and explained everything to him about Josieh my ggrandfather and my grandfather his son he thinks this could be him because they both had the same first names and later on my ggreat grandfather Joseih was known as Joseph and this also looks like what my grandfather did changed his name to Joseph, he also said that my ggrandfather was born in wales and his 2nd wife was born in wales both moved to london later and they were living there by the mid to late 1940s cos my aunty went up there and met him and we have family in camarthen (which i did not know about) where the 2nd marriage took place so this marriage must be correct and later they moved to london, so the death of Lydia in London could be right so thank you. i have also found out my grandfather joined the merchant sea navy when he was 14 or 15 he lied about his age and over time he became the Chief Steward..

I also want to say that when i mentioned the name Violet for my ggreat grandfathers first marriage this name rang a bell again to my uncle so again we must be on the right track cos my uncle said all that i told him has rang many bells

Thanks Cath i got your private message thats brilliant

Yes Mary hope and pray we can find Vera records and her poss marriage and kids x

One thing my uncle said, his father was a very secretive man and so was his father he said Joe has a brother (not even my mother new this) but had never met him and is not sure if he was younger or older but he does think he was born in wales and someone with the name Barri or Barry John a rugby player was related to joe and the place called gorfeinon toward llanelli
means something

The missing Vera W John is still bugging me! I can't find anything for her at all. :-((

i wonder if Vera middle intial was spelt wrong and could of been M instead of W ?