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As I can't see any connection between the two Margaret's in 1891 and 1901, I think you will have to get the marriage certificate of James Light and Margaret Bone.

i,m sure my sister will be pleased to know she has some half bros and sis lol, i'm sorry but i dont have cert for the marriage light/bone, i think the margaret bone u spotted living with her grandpa was the same one i was running on about thinking it was her!

Anthony, have you got the marriage cert of James Light and Margaret Bone? We need both their father's names to go further back. I can see a Margaret Bone with grandfather James Hamos in 1901, and with grandfather James Bone in 1891, but they are both a little older than your Margaret should be, and I can't see any connection between Bone and Hamos (which is possibly Amos).

I got stuck then, Jax. It looks like Eric Baldock and Rosina part company, and Rosina was still alive when he met with Violet Lilian, so he never married her. I can't do any better.

1911 census - household transcription
Person: MCDONALD, Eric
Address: 128 St James Road Tunbridge Wells


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BALDOCK, Edward William Head Married M 37 1874 Boot Repairer Kent Tunbridge Wells VIEW
BALDOCK, Emma Louisa Wife Married
15 years F 34 1877 Kent Tunbridge Wells VIEW
BALDOCK, Albert Edward Son M 14 1897 Kent Tunbridge Wells VIEW
BALDOCK, Chisholm Son M 10 1901 School Kent Tunbridge Wells VIEW
BALDOCK, Sydney Charles Son M 8 1903 Kent Tunbridge Wells VIEW
MCDONALD, Eric Son M 5 1906 Kent Tunbridge Wells VIEW

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They have missed off the Baldock part

Name: Eric M Baldock
Death Registration Month/Year: 1949
Age at death (estimated): 43
Registration district: Cambridge
Inferred County: Cambridgeshire
Volume: 4a
Page: 183


Name: Eric Macdonald Baldock
Year of Registration: 1905
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Tonbridge
County: Kent, Sussex
Volume: 2a
Page: 865 (click to see others on page)


Name: Eric M Baldock
Spouse Surname: Bristow
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1926
Registration district: Tonbridge
Registration county (inferred): Kent
Volume Number: 2a
Page Number: 2388
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Rosina Bristow Baldock Jul-Aug-Sep 1926 Tonbridge Kent

2 children from this marriage

yes, exactly, he is named on my sisters birth cert as eric macdonnald baldock but she seemed to think he was known as eric m baldock mainly

Anthony, before I go searching for Eric McDonald Baldock (cos I like to get the full picture) please tell me how you know his name? Does it appear on the birth certificate of one of the children? (In particular his middle name McDonald)

yes, thank you, any further info on the light/bone side would be helpfull, i have given up on the connection between violet lilian light and eric m (macdonnald) baldock as i dont think an official tie was made

Anthony


thank you


and I'm sorry for my misunderstanding your postings.


We do tend to forget what it is like to be a real newbie on here ........ and how overwhelming it can be to suddenly get all that information



To me, the best value of GR is in fact the help that one gets on these boards ....... from other members all eager to help!


Keep on asking .... but please, try to give all the information that you have in the first posting!




sylvia

Well, I'm glad that's sorted out!

So would you like some of us to carry on looking for the Light/Bone family, while you are sorting out your dad?

We don't know what records you have access to, but several of us here have Ancestry/Findmypast subscriptions, and are happy to look things up. Most of the censuses are only accessible from those sources.

Also, if you are looking for bmd's in the last century, Ancestry has fuller coverage.

thank you, bad news is i have also just started on my dads side, thats even worse with sudden name changes etc and more 'civil' partnerships and no marriages. this time i will get a little more info before getting you guys involved so you can hopefully help with specifics, i think that is the way forward, thanks again

Anthony - fair play to ya.
Thanks for putting your case, and very well I might add.
In our frustration we can lose sight of the fact that new posters can be a bit bemused by all the replies and questions which at the time seems to have no bearing on the original request.
Thanks for reminding us.

just tried the freeBMD site, brilliant

Goodness, what are you going on about, test this, test that?? lets get some facts straight here.
when i came on this site at the weekend it was a first for me, i sent a request out but i didnt know 'helpers' even existed, i thought the replies were from site users.

i didnt know how the site worked and didnt know about the thread forums.

the family history around the turn and early part of the century is complicated and i can only look at one thing at a time.

yes i knew yesterday that my sisters parents were not married either but didnt see the impact on anything anyone else was doing, mainly because i didnt know what anyone else was doing! call me daft but i thought some of the pointers sent to me were perhaps auto generated.

you have to realise that most people who come here want to just get on and find some stuff and wont explore the site to find features of it like your valuable assistance.

as for points scoring, you also have to realise that somewhere it suddenly dawns on a newbie that helpers are real and then it feels real bad when you get comments back stating the obvious that is obvious to every one barring yourself. i think the way this all works is superb but surely there must be a huge amount of people who would get turned off by situations like this one, I wouldnt as I respond in a confrontational way but most people would just back down and say whoa what am i getting into and not bother logging on again, to find yourself on a new site looking for info to suddenly get several helpers inputting is major and it can, quite literally, stop you in your tracks.

so, no tests~whatever tests are~just handles grabbed at the wrong ends, you guys obviously have huge knowledge of this site and others where info can be found, we all dont have that advantage and most of us dont have a clue as to how a research like this should be structured and how different bits of info impact what others may be doing.

if my attitude and ignorance still continue to offend you then close the thread and i will plod on myself but if that is the case i will be very very careful not to ask questions, i do hope that isnt the outcome as i do now value your imput especially as i now have some idea how it all works

Well, I think you are all wrong.

Yes, he should have given us more information when he had it. He might have been embarassed about it, some people are. What do you mean, it was a test? A test of what? For what purpose? Am I missing something?

As far as I can see, he already knew that his mother's background held some untruths. She never married Mr Baldock. She married his father years after his own birth. He might not have known that at the time, and it came as a shock to him. He knew that his elder sister at least was illegitimate. He didn't believe his mother's maiden name was Light, a family member said his grandmother Margaret was unmarried when she gave birth to Violet. He wasn't aware of freebmd, so didn't know how to check. So he was looking for an unmarried Margaret Bone in 1911, and found one. As is common with people new to this research, they latch onto a found person and assume it is right.

Maybe I am too charitable, well that's not a bad epitaph for my headstone.

I like the analogy Cynthia. I have a black cat. And if he were in a coal cellar, I would find him.

I also remember my dad's saying "Everything is easy when you know how".

And as a lecturer myself for - GULP! - 35 years, I know that is true.

Thank's for the compliment Ginny, I can't see that it will do me any harm.

I think Anthony is a fella who is just new to all this, and didn't know where to look.

Maybe I'm wrong.

But I think we should drop it now, and see if he wants any more help.

That, after all, is the purpose of this forum.

Bye for now.

Battymeg. Oops.

Madmeg

You said

"Right, I'm ignoring all the commentary, Anthony made mistakes, people got cross, that's life."


I agree with that part of your posting


BUT there is NO excuse for Anthony's behaviour, even as a newbie who is not too willing to learn


he did NOT give all the information that he had,

and as a result people have been searching around blindly, like looking for a black cat in a coal cellar.

He accuses people of point scoring, then does exactly the same thing himself ................ "AHA ...... I know what you don't know"


sorry ..... but I have been keeping an eye on this thread, 'cos the problem seemed interesting


BUT Anthony DID know that his sister and probably elder brother were probably born illegitimately


That would have helped the searchers soooooooooooo much


The whole feeling I get, and have had from the start of this thread, is that this has been a test



well, you know now why I haven't been helping!


You're far too charitable Meg!




sylvia

It also makes it difficult for me that has given the correct details but have not recieved any pm's from Anthony so I dont know what he has told you or anyone else. As far as I was aware it was all wrong till a little while ago

I know Anthony is new to this and I am willing to help but information is needed before we can carry on
jax

Right, I'm ignoring all the commentary, Anthony made mistakes, people got cross, that's life.

I'm still with you, Anthony.

It would have helped if you had given us the information that you already had - so in 1943 Violet was a spinster, presumably your elder sister's father was Mr Baldock, and probably so was your elder brother's. But Violet never married Mr Baldock but pretended that she did.

Folks, we do need to DO something to help people who are new to this site, situations such as this (and worse) cannot continue.