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Sorry for the long delay. Poor old fella - feeling very sorry for himself.

Thanks for all your marvellous help.

Jeanie

Hi Jeanie,

1861 England Census
about Barton Briavis
Name: Barton Briavis
Age: 41
Estimated birth year: abt 1820
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Emma
Gender: Male
Where born: St Giles, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Bermondsey
Sub-registration district: Leather Market
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 145
Household Members: Name Age
Barton Briavis 41 >> Porter
Emma Briavis 38


1851 England Census
about Barton Brians
Name: Barton Brians
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1820
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Emma
Gender: Male
Where born: St Giles, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Bermondsey
Sub-registration district: Leather Market
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 270
Household Members: Name Age
Barton Brians 31 >> watchman
Emma Brians 27
Amele Wilkers 6 > Neice born St Pancras


Still looking for the 1871 census.



Dee x

The address in 1861 is 94 Snowfields... the same as 1881, so I presume he maybe there in 1871.... just can't find him!!!



Dee x

Thanks so much Dee.

I should have found the Brians one as I've found other family members transcribed as such - but the other one is a new one on me.

Back from the clinic now. Well chuffed. Although doggy has been throwing up and, as usual, had trouble the other end as well he's put on some weight. Greyhound Breed Data Base showed his weight on his first race in Ireland as 34 or 35 kgs he was 27.5 when we got him in November 2008. Glad it was winter so he could wear a coat for walkies. Had a feeling I might be reported to RSPCA for starving him otherwise. Was pleased I had got him up to 31.5 at last weigh in. Today 32.4!

I'll put Amy on the board in a minute. Do not know what time of day or night it is where you are but anytime will do.

Here goes:

1841 census (with her parents, brother Alfred and the rest of her siblings)
BRIARIS, Amy 1828 13 St Giles & St George Middlesex

Marriages Mar 1849
Briaris Amy Hendon
Cooper Frank

Didn't find baptism records for either Amy or her brother Alfred on family search. Perhaps Parish Records could come up trumps.

Hi Jeanie,

I'm pleased to hear that doggy is putting on weight, hopefully he'll stop being ill soon and enjoy his weight gain..... well done you.

Now for Amy, be back soon..


Dee x

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Amy Briaris
Name: Amy Briaris
Spouse Name: Frank Cooper > Solicitors Clerk
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 4 Mar 1849
Parish: St Lawrence, Little Stanmore
County: Middlesex
Borough: Harrow
Father Name: William Briaris > Brushmaker?
Spouse Father Name: William Cooper > Stationers Clerk

Witnesses; Susan Dandy and Wm ?? Miller/Millner?


Hand writting is very poor and I can't quite make out the addresses.



Dee x

Could this be Alfreds baptism?

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Alfred Briariss
Name: Alfred Briariss
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 7 Jul 1822
Father's Name: William Briariss >> Brush maker
Mother's Name: Sarah Briariss
Parish: St Giles in the Fields, St Giles High Street, Holborn
Borough: Camden
County: Middlesex

Address; 30 Cherries Mews


Haven't found a baptism for Amy..... us poor ladies were so often overlooked!!!

1851 England Census
about Anne Cooper
Name: Anne Cooper
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1828
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Frank
Gender: Female
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: All Souls
ED, institution, or vessel: 4a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 75
Household Members: Name Age
Frank Cooper 26 Born Gloucestershire, Clerk at a Wine Merchants
Anne Cooper 23
Elizabeth Cooper 1


1861 England Census
about Amy Cooper
Name: Amy Cooper
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Frank
Gender: Female
Where born: Marylebone, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Grays Inn Lane
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 209
Household Members: Name Age
Frank Cooper 36
Albert F Cooper 4
Amy Cooper 32
Elizabeth Cooper 11
Rosena H Cooper 8
Georgeanne Augta Cooper 2


1871 England Census
about Amy Cooper
Name: Amy Cooper
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Frank
Gender: Female
Where born: Pancras
Civil parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Somers Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 354
Household Members: Name Age
Frank Cooper 45
Amy Cooper 39
Eliz Cooper 4
Amy Cooper 18
Albert Cooper 14
Georgina Cooper 12
Marmaduke Cooper 5

1881 England Census
about Frank Cooper
Name: Frank Cooper
Age: 55
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Amy
Gender: Male
Where born: Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England

Civil parish: Pancras
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 99 Tottenham CT Rd
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Traveller In Silk

Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Tottenham Court
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Frank Cooper 55
Amy Cooper 50
Arthur N. Cooper 16
Georgina A. Cooper 22
Daisy Cooper 8


1891 England Census
about Amy Cooper
Name: Amy Cooper
Age: 55
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Frank
Gender: Female
Where born: Bushey, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michaels
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Camden Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Frank Cooper 66
Amy Cooper 55


1901 England Census
about Amy Cooper
Name: Amy Cooper
Age: 70
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Frank
Gender: Female
Where born: St Giles, London, England

Civil parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: Camden
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: St Pancras
Sub-registration district: Camden Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 42
Household Members: Name Age
Frank Cooper 75
Amy Cooper 70

Another gold star for Dee. That's got to be him. Found Alfred at last. Started in July last year on this journey. Thought with the most unusual name in the family I had to be onto a good thing! As you will see perhaps the unusual name made it so difficult for transcribers it has been quite a difficult one to crack.

Real disappointment this morning. No post! Ordered a M/C on 27th March, paid by debit card. Money taken Monday last week - still no Certificate! Think it is probably the right one this time as I put a check on his father's name and I didn't get a refund - but I do get a little impatient to see the evidence with my own eyes.

If it's right I can then move on to the last remaining White brother who is unfinished at the moment.

Would welcome a personal message from you. It seems some things are wisest not posted on open forum.

Regards
Jeanie

Possibly Amy's death;

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Amy Cooper
Name: Amy Cooper
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Year of Registration: 1908
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 75
District: St Pancras (1902-1977)
County: Greater London, London
Volume: 1b
Page: 84




I'm in the UK Jeanie, so I presume we are on the same time line?




Dee x

You've done it again. I've no sooner put my post on than there's loads more.

Will go and read it properly now.

Thank you so much

Jeanie.

Yes I'm still here at the moment. In UK.

Helpers seem to have better things to do on this lovely day. Not surprised. I'll nudge up later.

Hi Jeanie,

just popped on to check my threads;

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Edward William Briaris
Name: Edward William Briaris
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 9 Feb 1896
Father's Name: Edward Briaris >> Labourer
Mother's Name: Emma Briaris
Parish: St John the Evangelist, Walworth
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex

Address; 11 Brandon Street.



Dee x

According to my tree Emma Briaris died 1905.

Other Edwards as follows:

Births Sep 1868
BRIARIS Edward Bermondsey Son of Alfred and Matilda I think
Births Dec 1869
BRIARIS Edward St Olave Son of Henry Edwin and Celia I think
Births Mar 1885
BRIARIS Edward Albert St Olave Bermondsey Son of Henry Ed, Jnr and Susan Caroline Staff I think.

Your help with Parish Records can make things so much clearer for me. You know what a dunce I am.

Thanks a million
Jeanie

Jeanie.... you're far from a dunce and you know it, so looking at the baptisms;

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Edward Briaris
Name: Edward Briaris
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 10 Oct 1869
Father's Name: Henry Edward Briaris >> Carman
Mother's Name: Cecilia Briaris
Parish: Christ Church, Bermondsey
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex

Address; 6 Amelia Street

DOB 25th Sept 1869




London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Edward Albert Briaris
Name: Edward Albert Briaris
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 1 Aug 1886
Father's Name: Henry Edwin Briaris >. Carman
Mother's Name: Susan Caroline Briaris
Parish: All Saints, Rotherhithe
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex

Address; 3 Railway Avenue, Adam Street

DOB 1st Jan 1885



I can't see a baptism for;
Births Sep 1868
BRIARIS Edward Bermondsey Son of Alfred and Matilda



had a look at the burials and I couldn't see one for Emma.


Got to go, kids want back on.... they need their social networking, even though they have their mobiles!!!


Dee x

Thanks again Dee

Really strange that son of Alfred and Matilda not found. Here are census records I have.


1871 census
BRIARIS Alfred Head 48 1823 Middlesex
BRIARIS Matilda Wife 38 Berkshire
BRIARIS Arthur Son 9 1862 Surrey
BRIARIS Hetty Dau. 7 1864 Surrey (Kitty)
BRIARIS Edward Son 2 1869 Surrey
BRIARIS Walter Son 0 1871 Surrey

1881 census
Alfred BRIARES Head 58 St. Giles Middlesex England Brush Maker
Matilda BRIARES Wife 48 Hungerford, Berkshire England Laundress
Arthur BRIARES Son 18 Southwark, Surrey, England Labourer
Matilda BRIARES Dau 16 Southwark, Surrey, England
Edward BRIARES Son 12 Southwark, Surrey, England
Walter BRIARES Son 10 Southwark, Surrey, England
327 Weston St Census Place Southwark, St. George Martyr, Surrey England

1891 census
BRIARIS, Matilda Head Widow F 54 1837 Hungerford Berkshire
BRIARIS, Edward Son Single M 23 1868 Leather Dresser Bermondsey London
BRIARIS, Walter Son M 20 1871 Railway Porter Southwark London
DEVITT, Kitty Daughter Married F 27 1864 Southwark London
DEVITT, Matilda Granddaughter F 1 1890 Camberwell London

Matilda still alive and on 1901.

Do not remember marrying him off either. Understand about the young ones needing their social networking. I think I'd miss it now.

Anything further you can add to above info (any time - at your convenience) would be great. If I have to leave him uncompleted it cannot be helped.

Enjoy your weekend.

Jeanie

Should say I'm okay with the rest of this family - it is only Edward that seems to go missing.

Edit

Know you're missing your PC Dee - so I'll come back on here tomorrow.