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Theres no census coming up before her death that gives Felisha living with James.

Theres is 61/71 census info but that cant be her as she was dead!

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Family Search lists 3 children christened with the same parents

ELIZABETH ANN HARTLEY - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Female Christening: 07 FEB 1841 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England

JOHN HARTLEY - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Christening: 22 APR 1838 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England

RICHARD HARTLEY - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Christening: 07 MAY 1843 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England

Am I glad to see you back Kay!

I cant find any info on Felisha, do you think she used a different name?

ginny
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Sadly work does get in the way!!!!

The christenings on Family Search does list the mother as Felica but I can't see any of the family in 1841

yeah I know what you mean about work!

So that looks good on family search. The thing is where the hell do we go from here?

Ginny
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I think the 1841 census could still reveal them but after much hard work. Have you found them in 1851?

No not found them in either census

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I wonder - No Richard or Elizabeth Ann and in theory after Felicia died but it looks to good to ignore

1851

Name: John Hartley
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Helisha
Gender: Male
Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Radcliffe
Ecclesiastical parish: Church
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:Dumers Lane

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Bury
Sub-registration district: Radcliffe
ED, institution, or vessel: 1f, 4, 3, and 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 207
Household Members: Name Age
James Hartley 40 b Salford Warehouseman
Helisha Hartley 37 b Pendleton
Joseph B Hartley 16 Finsher
John Hartley 13 b Salford
Augustus Hartley 5

Hi Ginny and K thanks for your hard work, youve come up trumps again,sorry taken me a while to get back but had to take son to Rotherham Harriers stadium for his running. thanks again Janette.

Kay

that looks a possible. Maybe Janette take another look at the certificate could it say Helisha?

Of course it could mistranscibed on the census?

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Hi Ginny, looked at certificate Felisha it is, her maiden name is Boden and not Bodson.ive Been on family search and looked for James 1811 son Joseph and iv found a Joseph Boden born 1835 married to Ann. im sure it is his family and it does have a mother living there in the name of Filisha age 67 and a nurse, so i dont think it can be her death in 1847, 1851 census Joseph was a Finisher,on the 1881 census he is a finisher of cotton goods. what do you think Janette

There just doesnt seem to be one common denominator throughout the census info that pin points the correct family

I cant seem to find all the family together at any one time. I wonder if 'Felisha' called herself something else????

Proving to be very 'tricky'!

Ginny
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The census that Kay posted earlier with 'Helisha' as the mother. The actual census reads 'Felisha'

Id say its a good bet thats your family but of course it needs more research...oh joy!

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1861 England Census
about Felisha Hartley
Name: Felisha Hartley
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James
Gender: Female
Where born: Pendleton, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Radcliffe
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Bury
Sub-registration district: Radcliffe
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 224
Household Members: Name Age
James Hartley 51
Felisha Hartley 46
Augustus Hartley 16
Mary Hartley 10
Emma Hartley 7



1871 England Census
about Felisha Hartley
Name: Felisha Hartley
Age: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1813
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James
Gender: Female
Where born: Pendleton, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Radcliffe
Ecclesiastical parish: Radcliffe
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Bury
Sub-registration district: Radcliffe
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Household schedule number: 38
Household Members: Name Age
James Hartley 61
Felisha Hartley 58
Engustus Hartley 26
Mary Hartley 20
Emma Hartley 17
William Hartley 5
Samuel Taylor 34



Any chance of getting Richards marriage cert to check details of father ie dead or not?

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Hi Ginny good morning,ordering the wedding certificatr as we speak,i will let you know when it gets here thanks again Janette.

Glad you are ordering the marriage cert to check it is the right Richard.

Richard never appears to live with his parents in any census and indeed does not appear in 1851 and I have wondered whether the birth is the correct one.

There is a death for a Richard Hartley in Salford in the early 1840's which could correspond to the birth you found. Sorry don't want to throw a spanner in the works.

Hi k,Ref the Hartleys.starting at the begining,he goes,Joyce Hartley born Sheffied 1921,her parents were Albert Edward Hartley mother Mary Ellen Hartley formerly Hartley on Joyce birth certificate,got her mothers wedding certificate father Albert Edward Hartley married 1921 aged 24 Mary Ellen aged 22 her father Richard Hartley Deceased Cloth dyer Salford.and then her father Richards birth certificate 18-9-1842 Salford. his father James and mother Felisha Boden, thanks Janette.

What was Albert Edward's fathers name on the marriage cert? It must be one of these; I'd take punt it is the first one due to the areas of Sheffield we have discussed??

1901 England Census
about Albert Hartley
Name: Albert Hartley
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Albert
Mother's Name: Ada
Gender: Male
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Sheffield
Ecclesiastical parish: Sheffield St James
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address: 62 Bailey St

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: West Sheffield
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 44
Household Members: Name Age
Albert Hartley 32 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cooper in oak wood
Ada Hartley 34
Ada Hartley 10
Beatrice Hartley 8
Albert Hartley 4
Arthur Hartley 2
Ernest Hartley 1



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Hi Ginny Albert Edwards father on wedding certificate was Albert Hartley deceased Cooper and case maker Janette

I'd take a bet that our 'Felisha' was not called that at all and adopted the name sometime after the 1841 census.

I cant find a marriage for her (OK it could mean she married before 1837) but there is no death for her either..even if she lived to 115.

this would explain why she and James and son Richard cant be found on the 1841 census

Maybe we need to take another direction?

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