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I am going to work now but I still feel you have unsafe info


Could you start with what you know as a fact.

I will look again tonight

Thanks Christine - that has put the cat among the pigeons!!

Facts that I know:

John SMITH Spalton b 1889 and brother Harold Frederick BOYD Spalton b 1894 (d 1896).

Their father Thomas Spalton b 1856 Bottesford, d 1931 Paddington. Living 1901 in Battersea, occ Poulterer/Fishmonger.

Thomas married 1883 Constance Jane Boyd Smith - b c 1861, d 1900

I know all about the Spalton family - I want to find Constance in a census. I could get the marriage cert, but at the moment I am wondering who on earth she is.....

In 1871 she(Constance Smith) is in Birmingham as niece of John and Mary Smith, with (presumed) siblings James, Elizabeth and Margaret.

In 1861 the siblings are in B'ham with parents William and Elizabeth Smith - together with two Nicholson brothers.

Am off to bed - back in the (NZ) morning

Peter

Here is another puzzle.Agnes Kissock in 1881 census in Scotland she is now Agnes Kissock Hannah and with her is Constance Elizabeth Nicholson born 1866 when she was married to Allan nicholson he died 1876.
The husband of Agnes now is Archibald Hannah born 1833 in Troquer Kircudbrightshire.
He was first married to Jane Kirk Smith born Scotland,they were married in 1859 in Birmingham,they had a daughter Constance Boyd Hannah 27/8/1862 in Worcester and according to someone's tree on Ancestry she married James Mc Michael born 1834 Scotland and died 1894 in Gisborn New Zealand.
Allan and Agnes had Janet (Jessie) Nicholson 1865 on the 1881 she is down as step daughter but on 1901 census with archibald in Scotland it nows says she is his niece!!!!!
All this seems very complicated,but there seems to be alot of coincidences with the same names popping up.
Certificates are a must with this family.

Maryb

Thanks for all the help so far, please don't give up on me. The Scotland information is so interesting!!

I have just ordered the marriage certificate - estimated despatch 22 July and it will take at least a week after that to get to New Zealand.

Would I be surprised if there is no father named????

Peter

Hello Peter

I am back

a long and frustrating day with London traffic.

I am glad you are ordering certificates.

Sometimes each partner may have had two or three marriages and each of the previous partners may have had several marriages and they do not know what to call the stepchildren. Sometimes step children take on stepfathers names. sometimes call them neices and sometimes lodgers. It can get very confusing.

I am off to look now.

You will know this but I will use it to help me get to Constance.


1861 Address: Farm, Dukes Wharf, Bottesford
SPALTON, Thomas Head Married M 34 1827 Farmer 150 Acres 3 Labourer
Easthorpe
Leicestershire VIEW
SPALTON, Elizth Wife F 30 1831
Harby
Leicestershire VIEW
SPALTON, Robert Son M 7 1854 Scholar
Bottesford
Leicestershire VIEW
SPALTON, Elizth Daughter F 5 1856
Bottesford
Leicestershire VIEW
SPALTON, Tom Son M 4 1857
Bottesford
Leicestershire VIEW
SPALTON, Anne Daughter F 3 1858
Bottesford
Leicestershire VIEW
SPALTON, William Son M 2 1859
Bottesford
Leicestershire VIEW
SPALTON, Sarah Daughter F 0 (9M) 1861
Bottesford
Leicestershire VIEW
WAAS, Sarah Servant Single F 20 1841 Dairymaid
Ropsley
Leicestershire VIEW
KUFF, Emily Servant Single F 14 1847 Nurse Maid
Peterborough
Leicestershire VIEW
SPAUR, Henry M 20 1841 Carter
Bottesford
Leicestershire VIEW
MOLES, Frederick M 15 1846 Carter
Somerby
Leicestershire VIEW
HARDY, William M 12 1849 Groom
Bottesford
Leicestershire


Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1883 (>99%)
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Boyd-Smith Constance Jane Camberwell 1d 1212
SMITH Constance Jane B Camberwell 1d 1212
SPALTON Thomas Goodson Camberwell 1d 1212


There is more than one Thomas Godson Spalton but cannot find an exact match for a birth.

Births Mar 1851 (>99%)
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Spalton Thomas Goodson Grantham 14 430

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Births Mar 1853 (>99%)
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Spalton Thomas Belper 7b 384

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Deaths Dec 1853 (>99%)
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Spalton Thomas Goodson Grantham 7a 265


1881Address: Chapel Street, Orston
WINFIELD, Thomas Head Married M 41 1840 Wheelwright
Orston
Nottinghamshire
WINFIELD, Elizabeth Wife Married F 56 1825 Wife
Harby
Leicestershire
SPALTON, Thomas G Stepson Single M 24 1857 Grocer
Bottesford
Leicestershire
SPALTON, Sarah Step Daughter Single F 20 1861 Dressmaker
Bottesford
Leicestershire
SPALTON, Henry Step Son Single M 12 1869 Scholar
Bottesford
Leicestershire
SPALTON, Francis Step Son Single M 10 1871 Scholar
Bottesford
Leicestershire
COY, Edmund Apprentice Single M 20 1861 Apprentice Wheelwright
Orston
Nottinghamshire

1891 Address: 68, Pimlico Road, St George Hanover Square, Belgrave, St George

SPALTON, Thom Goodson Head Married M 34 1857 Provision Merchant
Bottesford
Leicestershire VIEW
SPALTON, Constance J B Wife Married F 29 1862
? Birmingham VIEW
SPALTON, John S Son M 1 1890
Lambeth
London VIEW
WHITE, Rose Servant Single F 16 1875 Domestic
Willesden
London



Births Sep 1889 (>99%)
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Spalton John Smith Lambeth 1d 349


1901Address: 1, Winstead Street, Battersea
SPALTON, William Head Married M 41 1860 Journeyman Butcher
Bottesford
Leicestershire VIEW
SPALTON, Catharine Wife Married F 39 1862
Nine Elms
London VIEW
SPALTON, Albert F Son M 14 1887 Hatter's Errand Boy
Pimlico
London VIEW
SPALTON, Dorothy E Daughter F 12 1889
Pimlico
London VIEW
SPALTON, Clara I Daughter F 8 1893
Pimlico
London VIEW
SPALTON, Ethel M Daughter F 4 1897
Pimlico
London VIEW
SPALTON, Thom G Brother Widower M 43 1858 Poultry Man
Bottesford
Leicestershire VIEW
SPALTON, John S Nephew M 12 1889
Lambeth
London

1871 Address: Vittoria Street, Birmingham
SMITH, John Head M 39 1832 Scotland VIEW
SMITH, Mary Wife F 32 1839 Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, James Nephew M 13 1858 Warwickshire VIEW
SMITH, Elizabeth Niece F 12 1859 Warwickshire VIEW
SMITH, Margaret Niece F 10 1861 Warwickshire VIEW
SMITH, Constance Niece F 9 1862 Warwickshire VIEW
SWEET, Ellen Visitor F 17 1854 Gloucestershire VIEW
LOVELL, Ellen Visitor F 47 1824 Worcestershire VIEW
LOVELL, Mary A Servant F 20 1851 Worcestershire VIEW
TAYLOR, Mary A Servant F 19 1852 Staffordshire VIEW
MOORCROFT, Charles Servant M 16 1855 Warwickshire

possible

1881

Address: 124, Villa Rd, Handsworth
HORTON, Abraham Head Married M 35 1846 Butcher
West Bromwich
Staffordshire
HORTON, Jenny Wife Married F 36 1845
Sutton Coldfield
Warwickshire
BEARDSALL, Arthur Appren Single M 20 1861 Butcher
Nottingham
SMITH, Constance Bookkeeper Single F 19 1862 Book Keeper (Clk)
Bham
Warwickshire
WALKER, Charles Helper Single M 24 1857 Helper (Butcher)
Aston
Warwickshire
WALKER, Henry Helper Single M 19 1862 Helper (Butcher)
Wolverhampton
Staffordshire
STOKES, Walter Nephew Single M 16 1865 Butcher
Darlaston
JONES, Lydia Cook Single F 36 1845 Butcher
Bham
Warwickshire

Deaths Jun 1900 (>99%)

Spalton Constance Jane B 34 Chelsea 1a 261

Another piece but i do not know where it fits yet

1861 Address: 184, King Edwards Road, Birmingham
BROWN, James Head Married M 28 1833 Traveling Draper
Scotland VIEW
BROWN, Jane Wife Married F 24 1837
Scotland VIEW
BROWN, Peter Son M 4 1857
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
BROWN, Alexander Son M 3 1858
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
BROWN, Jane M Daughter F 1 1860
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
WRIGHT, Janet Wifes Sister Unmarried F 16 1845 House Servant
Scotland VIEW
NICHOLSON, Agustus M Boarder Unmarried M 22 1839 Drapers Assistant
Scotland VIEW
WALTER, Robert A Boarder Unmarried M 20 1841 Drapers Assistant
Scotland VIEW

1861
Address: 54, Vittoria Street, Birmingham
NICHOLSON, Jonathan Head Unmarried M 27 1834 Draper
Scotland VIEW
NICHOLSON, Ann Sister Unmarried F 18 1843 House Keeper
Scotland VIEW
NICHOLSON, Alexander Boarder Unmarried M 20 1841 Draper
Scotland


we have seen that street before

Hi Christine

You are exactly right with every piece of that information!! I wonder why Constance left B'ham to marry in London?

Thomas Goodson Spalton b 21 July 1856 in Bottesford. Belper Spaltons are not connected (yet).


Peter

1861 Address: 24, Regent Place, Birmingham
MCFEE, Archibald Head Unmarried M 26 1835 Draper
...
Scotland VIEW
LAMONT, ... Head Apprentice Unmarried F 19 1842 Ap Draper
...
Scotland VIEW
NICHOLSON, Flora Servant Unmarried F 26 1835 House Keeper
...
Scotland

I am falling asleep at the computer but there is lots more yet

I'm not an expert on Birmingham, but from Google maps Vittoria St,Regent Place, Villa Road and Legge Lane are all within a 100m radius, and Anderton St is only a couple of hundred metres outside the circle!

Peter

Iam getting intrigued

all drapers born Scotland in a small locality.

hmmmmmmmm



I wonder why?

1861
Address: 3, James Street, Birmingham
SMITH, William Head Married M 41 1820 Draper
Scotland VIEW
SMITH, Ellen Wife Married F 34 1827
Scotland VIEW
SMITH, Agnes Daughter Unmarried F 9 1852 Scholar
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
SMITH, Elizabeth Daughter Unmarried F 7 1854 Scholar
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
SMITH, Ellen Daughter Unmarried F 6 1855 Scholar
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
SMITH, Mary Jane Daughter Unmarried F 4 1857 Scholar
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
SMITH, ... Daughter Unmarried F 2 1859
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
SNEDDON, Stephenson Servant Unmarried M 20 1841 Assistant Draper
Scotland VIEW
NICHOLSON, John Servant Unmarried M 21 1840 Assistant Draper
Scotland VIEW
WALLON, Elizabeth Servant Unmarried F 19 1842 Servant
Leamington
Warwickshire

1961
Address: 60, Vittoria Street, BirminghamSMITH, John Head Unmarried M 28 1833 Draper
Scotland VIEW
LOWE, Elizabeth Servant Unmarried F 29 1832 House Maid
Bilston
Staffordshire VIEW
GRUNDY, William Servant M 10 1851 Errand Boy
Birmingham

1861 Address: Camden Street, Birmingham
SMITH, William Head Married M 39 1822 Harness Maker
Scotland VIEW
SMITH, Elizabeth Wife F 32 1829
Ireland VIEW
SMITH, William George Son M 7 1854
Buckingham VIEW
SMITH, Mary Ellen Daughter F 5 1856
Birmingham VIEW
SMITH, James Henry Son M 5 1856
Birmingham VIEW
SMITH, Samuel Robert Son M 1 1860
Birmingham VIEW
ALLEN, Georgina Servant F 13 1848 Servant
Titchwith

of interest

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Thanks Christine - vast amount of data - looks as though my weekend will be spent with a large whiteboard and a lot of names to put on and join up - and I still have two weeks to wait for the cert - now off to view the link you sent - and what are you doing at four in the morning sending emails??????

Peter