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Lol Glen,

Yes you are my hero : ) as you have helped alot with my tree.

Thankyou

Jo

You're welcome Jo

If it is the right one (i'm pretty confident) then i'm gonna be a hero...........if it's the wrong one don't tell your mum it was my fault.

Glen

Hi Glen,

Thankyou for clearing it up for me, you are very kind helping me. I will order that cert then and hopefully it is the correct one.

Jo

In reply to;
"Hi Glen,
Im confused now lol."

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I think my post above (added at 10.30 this morning) should clear things up a little bit.

The 1892 death for James and the 1881 census showing him as road labourer fit nicely with the details from the marriage certificate you have. (marriage cert of 1892 says he is deceased and a road laobourer)

It looks very likely that Elizabeth is the daughter of James and Leah.

James is always a labourer of some description, Leah is always his wife and Elizabeth is always recorded as daughter.

The '71 and '81 census are in Pancras, '91 in Islington, that fits with the death details i have posted.

Because the '71 shows Pancras it looks like the correct birth certificate you need should be;

Name: Jane Elizabeth Stuckey
Year of Registration: 1872
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Pancras (1837-1901)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 183


Personally i would order that one but add a ref check quoting Leah as the mother. It seems that for some reason the Jane part of her name wasn't used, she was probably known as Elizabeth but born Jane Elizabeth.

If it is the right certificate then the details i have put in the post give the family details back to the James and Leah mariage in 1860.

Glen

Hi Glen,

Im confused now lol.

2nd reserve

There is a second Stuckey family in London at the same time, father called Daniel and a son called James (he never married and his occupation is servant), they are NOT your family but the death index entries for them are at very similiar times to your James and Daniel.


If and when you come to order the death certificates use the references in my last post, these two are the ones you DO NOT want to order.

Deaths Mar 1892 (>99%)
Stuckey James age 59 Whitechapel 1c 276

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Deaths Dec 1882 (>99%)
Stuckey Daniel 80 Brentford 3a 47

Added at 10.30 Tues morning.


Sorted out who the parents for the 1872 birth should be!!! I'm 99.9% sure it is James and Leah.

Chronologically back from 1896 here goes.

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Deaths Mar 1896 (>99%)
Stuckey Leah 55 Islington 1b 129
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Jo has the cert for the following marriage, father of the bride is James Stuckey, road labourer, deceased.

Marriages Dec 1892
Buckingham Thomas Dalton Islington 1b 738
>>JACKSON Isaac Walter Islington 1b 738
Smith Annie Louisa Islington 1b 738
>>STUCKEY Elizabeth Islington 1b 738
TIPPETT Arthur Islington 1b 738

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Deaths Mar 1892 (>99%)
Stuckey James 61 Islington 1b 226
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1891;
Name: James Stuckey
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Leah
Gender: Male
Where born: Laudpert, Somerset, England

Civil Parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Islington
Sub registration district: Upper Holloway
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age

Alice Stuckey 10
Elizabeth Stuckey 19 Daur
George Stuckey 22
James Stuckey 60 Head, occupation, Labourer
Leah Stuckey 56 Wife
Walter Stuckey 14
William Stuckey 2/12

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Deaths Dec 1888 (>99%)
Stuckey Daniel age 85 Pancras 1b 120
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1881;
Name: James Stucky
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Leah
Father's Name: Daniel
Gender: Male
Where born: Langport, Somerset, England

Civil Parish: St Pancras
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 4 Blandford Pl
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Occupation: Road Laborer

Registration district: Pancras
Sub registration district: Kentish Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Stucky 15
Daniel Stucky 78
Elizabeth Stucky 9 Daur
George Stucky 11
James Stucky 55 Head. Occuoation Road Labourer
John Stucky 18
Leah Stucky 43 Wife
Thomas Stucky 2
Walter Stucky 3

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 220; Folio: 21; Page: 36; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341048.

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1871;
Name: James Stuckey
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Leah
Gender: Male
Where born: Kingsbury, Somerset, England
Civil Parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Pancras
Sub registration district: Regent
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Household schedule number: 93
Household Members: Name Age
Edward C Stuckey 4
George J Stuckey 1
James Stuckey 44 Head Occupation, Labourer
John Stuckey 8
Leah Stuckey 34 Wife
Mary Ann Stuckey 9

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 204; Folio: 12; Page: 15; GSU roll: 824592.

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1861
Name: James Stuckey
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Leah
Gender: Male
Where born: Kingsbury Episcopi, Somerset, England

Civil Parish: Kingsbury Episcopi
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Registration district: Langport
Sub registration district: Langport
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 9
Household Members: Name Age

James Stuckey 33 Head, Occupation Agricultural Labourer
Leah Stuckey 23 Wife


Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1630; Folio: 92; Page: 2; GSU roll: 542842.
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Marriages Sep 1860 (>99%)

BONNING Eliza Langport 5c 659
MALE Gerrard Langport 5c 659
>>>>>Pipe Leah Langport 5c 659
>>>>>Stuckey James Langport 5c 659
Wrixon Elizabeth Bedminster 5c 659

Glen

Moody

Earlier in the thread i found the set for that family, as you get further back a Daniel Stuckey c 1803 appears (dad to James).

There is also another Stuckey family in Twickenham, dad is Daniel c1803 with a son James c1827, going through the Twickenam family it seems that all the bmd events for them are Brentford District.

I was going to post both sets of census and relevant bmd refs in consecutive posts but will have to leave it for tonight.

it might make it easier to follow if i add them in one place.

Glen

Don't mind me, just posting something for the 1872 Stuckey birth query


I wonder if this birth.......

Name: Elizabeth Stuckey
Year of Registration: 1872
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Edmonton
County: Essex, Hertfordshire, Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 181

Fits this '81 census......

1881 England Census
about Elizabeth Stuckey
Name: Elizabeth Stuckey
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Caroline E.
Gender: Female
Where born: Highgate

Civil Parish: Hornsey
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address: Wells Hill 2 Dorothy Cottages
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Edmonton
Sub registration district: Hornsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Annie Stuckey 11
Caroline E. Stuckey 34
Elizabeth Stuckey 8
Thomas Stuckey 35


Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 1379; Folio: 80; Page: 42; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341335.



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And this birth

Name: Jane Elizabeth Stuckey
Year of Registration: 1872
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Pancras (1837-1901)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 183


Fit with this '81 return....

Name: Elizabeth Stucky
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Leah
Gender: Female
Where born: St Pancras, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Pancras
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 4 Blandford Pl
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Pancras
Sub registration district: Kentish Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Stucky 15
Daniel Stucky 78
Elizabeth Stucky 9
George Stucky 11
James Stucky 55
John Stucky 18
Leah Stucky 43
Thomas Stucky 2
Walter Stucky 3

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 220; Folio: 21; Page: 36; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341048.



First one is Edmonton birth district and Edmonton Census district

Second one is Pancras birth and Pancras census district.

Is this the clue needed to clarify which birth cert required.

Margaret,

I got the cert just few days ago after making this post.

Brenda,

He is down as Walter Edward Jackson. Maybe that is his birth then.

Sorry you probably did in the beginning

Margaret i have the cert.

Isaac's father is a Frederick Jackson and Elizabeth's father is James Stuckey, both down as deceased. Im sure i added it here in this post.

Thats ok, i noted it down already. Who is this Walter Edward Fisher as date is 1868?

Im getting myself in a muddle now lol.

You should get the marriage cert of Elizabeth Stuckey to Isaac Walter Jackson. It will be interesting to see if there is a fathers name for Isaac.Possibly not.

Has a reply done missing to do with no birth for Walter Fisher in St luke but there was a Walter Jackson in St luke? Now there is a birth for

Births Sep 1868
Fisher Walter Edward St Luke 1b 670

Who is?

Sorry everyone i am a pain i know.

Glen i would say now the first birth? i hope im right coz was about to order the other.

Going by the census returns i posted, and the deaths for James, Leah and Daniel it seems the family moved from Pancras to Islington reg districts at some point in 1892.
The '71, '81 and '91 census returns are all in the civil parish of St Pancras (not quite the same thing as the reg district though.)

So which one of these births looks likely?

Name: Jane Elizabeth Stuckey
Year of Registration: 1872
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Pancras (1837-1901)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 183

Name: Elizabeth Stuckey
Year of Registration: 1872
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Edmonton
County: Essex, Hertfordshire, Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 181

Yes it is confusing when they keep changing names. My Darby grandmother married twice. I couldnt find her first marriage even though I knew her husbands surname.
It was only after I found out about her father changing his name I found her marriage. She married as Florence D Burden.When I got the cert it was Darby as middle name. Her second marriage to my grandfather gave her name as formely Darby which was the name on her birth cert

Hi Brenda,

I have no idea looks possible, confusing though when they carry on with the name. Thankyou for finding for me.

Margaret,

Out of the 2 births for Elizabeth, 1 in Pancras the other in Edmonton which 1 do you think is right to order, as i want to order but as my mum is paying for certs i want to get the right one.

Ah i see. I thought coz of the dates it must be the parents but now i can see that Walter was born 1865, Elizabeth 1872 and they had a Daughter born 1899. Sorry to be a pain. Now i know where Fisher comes from.
Do you know the birth Ref for Walter please?