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Trevor
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22 Nov 2017 02:32 |
I am trying to locate living relatives that are descendants of Robert Fox Newton of Beer, Devonshire. I am trying to match our genetic relationship by a DNA swab test. The paternity of my father was denied and my father and purported grand father have both passed away long ago. I want to pass the unconfirmed 25% of my ancestry to my children and grand children before I am also done.
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AustinQ
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22 Nov 2017 07:04 |
I hope you are able to get some answers. Just for background:-
Western Times - Friday 20 August 1926
BEER PATERNITY CASE Local Carpenter Denies Domestic's Allegations
Axminster Magistrates on Tuesday, after a lengthy hearing, dismissed an application for a Paternity Order, made by Winnifred May Burborough, domestic servant, of Beer, against Clifford Abraham Newton, carpenter, of Beer.
Mr. M. J. McGahey, for the defence, said the girl had not corroborated her evidence any material particular.
Defendant, who was married, emphatically denied the paternity, and said when he first heard the allegation against him at once, repudiated it, and said he would rather to prison than pay. -----------------------
Family in 1911:
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 60 Main Street Beer, Beer, Devon, England
Robert Pox Newton Head Married Male Carpenter And Wheelwright 49 1862 Devon Beer Emma Newton Wife Married Female - 48 1863 Devon Beer Mabel Minnie Newton Daughter Single Female Dress Maker 28 1883 Devon Beer William Robert Newton Son Single Male General Smith 21 1890 Devon Beer Mary Ellen Newton Daughter Single Female - 19 1892 Devon Beer Clifford Abraham Newton Son Single Male Carpenter Wheelwright Assistant 16 1895 Devon Beer Gladys Mutter Newton Daughter - Female School 11 1900 Devon Beer Dorothy May Newton Daughter - Female School 9 1902 Devon Beer Leslie Isaac Newton Son - Male School 6 1905 Devon Beer Gwendoline Emma Newton Daughter - Female School 4 1907 Devon Beer Kathleen Hilda Newton Daughter - Female - 0 1911 Devon Beer -----------------------------------
Clifford in 1939:
Newton Household 2 Lion Villa Ellesmere , Axminster R.D., Devon, England
Clifford (A) Newton 05 Jan 1895 Male Builders Married Gladys (May) Newton 15 May 1895 Female Housewife Married Robert Newton 23 Feb 1922 Male Carpenter Single Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record. Graham Newton 20 Nov 1926 Male At School Single Georgina May 16 Dec 1860 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed Helen May 06 Sep 1886 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Single Lilian May 27 Oct 1892 Female Railway Clerk School Hand Typist Single
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22 Nov 2017 11:12 |
Clifford’s marriage Marriages Sep 1921 (>99%) Newton Clifford A Newton Honiton 5b 29 Newton Gladys M Newton Honiton 5b 29
As you’re primary looking for male descendants, the sons (to 1936, Axminster reg) as per 1939 Register (above) were Robert L Newton 1922 Graham C Newton 1926
Posted as middle initials make a difference!
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22 Nov 2017 11:18 |
Roberts death ROBERT LESLIE Last name NEWTON Gender Male Birth day 23 Birth month 2 Birth year 1922 Age - Death quarter 4 Death year 1990 District Honiton Register number 1290 County Devon Volume 21 Page 1332
Married Ms Driver, 1949 in Honiton reg.
Can’t see any Newton/Driver births on freebmd or FMP
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22 Nov 2017 11:50 |
Leslie Isaac Newton's marriage
1906 Record set Somerset Marriage Index First name(s) Leslie Isaac Sex Male Last name Newton Marriage year 1927 Birth year 1904 Spouse's first name(s) Phyllis Mary Spouse's last name Bonfield Parish Stogumber Denomination Anglican County Somerset Country England Document type Parish records Page 179 Age 23 Marital status bachelor Residence Beer, Devon Occupation Carpenter Marriage date 16 Jul 1927 Spouse's age 21 Spouse's marital status spinster Spouse's residence Tatworth Spouse's occupation Domestic Servant Father's name Robert Newton Father's occupation Deceased Spouse's father's name John Bonfield Spouse's father's occupation Carpenter First witness Clifford Abraham Newton Second witness Alice Florence Ada Bonfield Archive Somerset Archives Record type Marriages
His death
First name(s) LESLIE ISAAC Last name NEWTON Gender Male Birth day 21 Birth month 6 Birth year 1904 Age - Death quarter 1 Death year 1974 District Devon Central County Devon Volume 7A Page 1135
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22 Nov 2017 11:55 |
1939 Register Newton Household (6 People) 2 Brooklyn Villa , Axminster R.D., Devon, England
FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER Leslie Newton 21 Jun 1904 Male Carpenter Master Partner Married 223 3 Phyllis Newton 23 Sep 1906 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 223 1 Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record. Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record. Daisy Bird 24 Sep 1896 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 223 5 Lilian G Mottram 17 Jan 1893 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 223 6
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22 Nov 2017 12:02 |
One of the closed records is likely to be John L 1928
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AustinQ
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22 Nov 2017 12:34 |
Looks to be two further children to Leslie & Phyllis. Son Peter b1940- and possibly still living in Devon.
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JoonieCloonie
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23 Nov 2017 01:30 |
Also, don't rule out female descendants. YDNA is the best way of proving a match in the paternal line, but autosomal DNA can identify cousins within the distance that female descendants of Robert Fox Newton would be to you.
That would not be as good evidence of paternity, but there would have to be some other explanation for the relationship otherwise. :-)
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JoonieCloonie
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23 Nov 2017 01:39 |
11 people have Robert Newton 1862, Beer, Devon, in their trees at this website.
They are unlikely in the extreme to see this message, as few people who sign up here and create family trees ever read the community boards. So the thing to do is send them all messages to ask whether they are direct descendants. (Never just ask to see someone's tree!)
Make sure that even if your paid membership here lapses, you keep a current email address in your account so you get notice of private messages, and you will be able to reply.
There are also about 15 family trees at Ancestry with Robert Fox Newton (some say Robert Cox, or just Robert) borh 1862, Beer, Devon. Many of these are probably the same people as at this website, so I might try here first.
If you don't subscribe to Ancestry, you can take out a free trial membership and send messages to those members (giving an email address for replies).
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23 Nov 2017 18:28 |
Kenneth, it really isn't quite fair to put personal details about other members in the thread. I would edit your post to remove the names.
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Kenneth chose instead to delete his message, which then isn't quite fair to other members who don't know what info was sent privately.
Kenneth identified a member here who is a relation of Clifford and sent location info for that person and their parents.
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Kenneth
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24 Nov 2017 09:28 |
Have PM full contact details for Clifford`s nephew born 1940 and JoonieCloonie I hope you feel better soon and have a MERRY CHRISTMAS
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