General Chat

Ok this is a country of free speech and opinion, (I hope), but you cannot judge someone just by what you have read in the papers, it is not always true. The tabloids will say anything just to boost their sales and cause agro. At the end of the day the courts will decide whether he's innocent or guilty, it's not right for other people not involved to say either way Sarah, xxx

I think the guy has completely lost touch with the real world and having so much money has created his own. Fair enough I suppose. I can't understand the parents, letting their kids stay at his house, knowing full well that has been previously accused of kiddy fiddling, irrelevant whether he did or not. I have the feeling he is just a confused, naive guy who loves to be around kids, and doesn't mean them any harm whatsoever. The problem here is, that he is a physically mature man, with the needs and drives, that physically mature men have. Whereas normal men find an equally mature partner, he is surrounded by kids - who he sees as his equals.

Hi Jayvee, I'm certainly guilty of several sins - but child abuse isn't one of them. In my eyes some sins are worse than others. Gwynne

Hi Fred, I agree with you that he certainly needs help if he cannot see that his behaviour was wrong. As I said before, he is guilty of inappropriate behaviour, by his own admission. If he cannot see that his behaviour was inappropriate then he should be kept away from children. I'll wait for the rest of the evidence to see if I think he was guilty of sexual abuse. I shan't rely on the jury's verdict. A jury found OJ not guilty. Gwynne

I know it's easier said than done, but :- 'Don't be too harsh with the one who sins Nor pelt him with words or stones Unless you are sure, yes doubly sure That you have no sins of your own'

I think part of the problem is he is so convincing....people looked up to him and I will be honest I didnt want to think he was guilty! However the more I watch and read the more convinced I am that he is! Like you say though Emma...I hope he isnt given special treatment because he is who he is! The sad thing is though...if he is guilty then what a waste of his talent! Bev

Morning Bev, I've just put off getting showered and dressed and done the same - made another cuppa! I have followed the evidence from the start, and always been of the same opinion - if the boys' stories hadn't changed from the start I might have had a slightly different opinion at this stage - but I think it's just made my opinion stronger. What I can't believe is any normal parent letting their children be with MJ after the very first instance years ago. I find it very difficult to believe that they haven't had an ulterior motive all along. I do hope however that when all the evidence is taken into account the jury treat him as if he was Joe Bloggs - and if found guilty by them he gets what anyone else would. I don't believe in special treatment just because he's famous.

Morning Emma....That first cuppa goes down well doesnt it? I have to disagree with you though! I think he plays the 'poor little me' thing a bit too well! Personally I think he knows exactly what he is doing and manipulates people very well! Just look at the evidence....there is a definate pattern! They cant all be wrong.....! Going filling up my cup again as the last brew hasnt touched the sides..lol Bev

Well, I think he is totally innocent. Yes, he's guilty of making himself look bad by paying some of the families involved off - but don't forget how many people he has around him, basically running his life for him - I'm sure most of these people will have 'advised' that paying them off was the easiest option - and so he did. I think he's led such a strange, sheltered life that he genuinely has no real understanding of normal life, and what in the adult world is right or wrong. Most stars experience normal life as well as stardom to a certain degree but I think MJ's the exception. He hasn't grown up because he hasn't had to - so I believe that in his mind it's just him and his friends hanging out and having a sleep over, as boys do. He's sadly probably only got the mental age of some of these boys and so connects with them as friends instead of adults. I feel sad for him if anything. Probably not expressed myself very well here as I'm still bleary eyed and only on my first coffee!!

I think that he is as guilty as hell! I thought it the first time when he paid off Jordy Chandler and I think it this time! The pattern that he has got is common with child abusers and for some reason he thinks he is untouchable! Do I think he will be found guilty.....no I dont! I hope for other childrens sake that he is because if he does get off with it then I dont think it will be very long before we are watching the scenario all over again! Bev

Kim and Chloe thanks for your input, can i just make this point on Courts and Evidence, i have always lived in Rough areas with an higher than averige mix of Criminals and Fighters and on occasion (after many offences they have not been caught for) they end up in Court, about 60% of the time they get a Not Guilty, they know if they Charm the Jury and there paid for by the state barrister discredits the witnesses, they will get away with it, but in 99.9% of the cases they have got away with they were guilty of that crime, but it was just not proven, i know one guy who when drunk is a Fighter and has seriously assulted people om many occasion, but when he ends up in Court , he acts up to the jury so much puts on big thick rimed glsasses and looks as stupid as he can, and ends up looking the victim and gets away with it, i havent got that convidence, but thats all it takes sometimes to hoodwink people. most people on the Jury have never been in court before, and are good people, just like most of you on here and mostly see the Good in all, so a conman is half way there, the judges sometimes must see the Jury leting off someone they know is guilty, most crims always opt for Jury trial, they know there chances are better than just a Judge who as seen all this before

Gary i can see what you are saying, however none of us will see the real evidence, that is why people are not saying if they think he is guilty, i didnt see anyone write they think he is innocent because they like his music, its not people being naive its people saying what they think without the evidence infront of them, most have said if he isnt innocent he has mental issues, i do sympathis what you have been through but i think its out of order saying people are naive for haveing an opinion, please dont take offence kimx

Gary - just because we think not to judge him just yet, does not mean we're insensitive to child abuse at all. But at the moment, he is just accused, who are we to say that he is guilty or not? We were not there. We're not the jury either. I am quite offended by your last statement. Don't presume to know us (or me) and that our lives have not been effected by child abusers.

I wouldn't like to say if he's guilty or not (innocent until proven guilty is my motto). I think he's extremely naive and troubled though. I think it's also slightly strange that his children have white skin and blonde hair!!

I think he is guilty, if you are innocent why on earth would you pay someone off that just about admitting you are guilty, plus I also think he has lost the plot Donna

Can i just say to all you who wil not judge Jackson, unless you have seen all the evidence, when men who do what i think he has done, they do it out of sight of anybody else, so a true picture of what has happened can never be presented, and as a boy of 8, who when my father had just died, a neighbour abused me for a few months, until my mother came home early and caught him, but he was devious and would have got away with it, and then some of you just have loved his music and so cant possably think hes guilty, you are very nieve, i hope if a single man up the street starts a band up and then asks you to let your under 10s sleep over, you would not allow it. of coarse you would not.

I think he's innocent.

I really don't know whether or not he's guilty of physical child abuse but he is certainly guilty of creating an inappropriate and unreal atmosphere that seems to have messed with a lot of childrens minds. But I think that Jackson's staff and the parents of the children have all acted apallingly given that this situation has gone on for such a long time.

i think he has serious mental health problems he is the same age as my hubby but acts like a child the man isnt normal i also think that he is guilty. why else would he pay his so called victims parents off and then try to arrange a one way ticket to brazil to keep them quite? susie susie

His behaviour was certainly inappropriate. The fact that he cannot see this is a problem for me. I'll wait to hear all the evidence but there has certainly been emotional/psychological abuse, on his own admission, although he doesn't seem to realise that. Would I let a child of mine stay at his ranch? No. So I guess I do think he is guilty. Gwynne