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Get used to it.


Sadly its an on going project for these people. :-(


It will happen again.and again,

'Tracking' is one reason I don't have any store loyalty cards, (I'll eat what I want, without becoming a statistic, thank you!) or a 'smartphone'.

As for those shops that ask for my e-mail address 'so they can send me a receipt' - I point to the bit of paper sticking out of the till and ask:
'What is that - a receipt? That will do, then I don't have to waste my ink printing it out if I bring the thing back, do I?'
One of my e-mail addresses is my nickname, too.

Unfortunately, with the Electoral Roll online, when someone has your forename, surname, and place of residence it's fairly easy to work out your address :-|

I think it's safe to say no one is not known to some degree to anyone that wants to collect information. Nyx you mention business keeping records of your purchases etc Governments could in theory use this to track the list of people they're watching to some degree; not fool proof by a long stretch.
We all cherish our freedoms but in all honesty they're been chipped away over the years, it's just how much have you been told.

No system is fool proof if it relies on human input end of.

Maybe tracking devices on watch list people but then their freedoms etc....

But the argument is that such a seemingly prudent small step in our democratic country, could be the top of a slippery slope, should we ever be living under a government who would use that data against us if we happened to fall into a group of people that were seen as 'dubious' , politically for eg , ban the bomb campaigners, anti hunt, pro Israeli, pro Palestine, Corbyn supporters lol?

Already big business collects data on what we buy, where we go, how we interact. Would I really want to be 'clocked' without necessarily knowing where that data might end up? for eg, the various phishing/hacking/ lost documents 'left on a train' scenarios that could put private data in the hands of just about anyone willing to pay for it.

Agreed supercrutch I too think the freedoms we hold so dear are being used against us by many.

It's a question of whether the general public is ready to give up some small amount of those freedoms, for instance carrying the ID card. It was used in the war and as some are saying this is a war in all but name in many ways.

This card would be used for access to all public services/benefits. If you really want Big Brother watching your every move; and lets be honest they do already with the cameras; it can record your entry to buildings as you walk through doorways.

Then all those on the so called watch list would be monitored more also.

Yes, fingerprints, iris scan, blood group whatever.

I am not saying it's a cure all but anything that upgrades personal identity would, as mentioned, assist in other areas which are abused currently.

My nephew heads a fraud team in London. It is impossible to know whether Mr. X is in fact Mr X when he signs on at the Job Centre (old phrase). It could be any Tom, Dick or Harry and has been proved to be so too many times.

The amount of hatred spouted against all Muslims on twitter was shocking. Deport them all, close down all mosques etc., etc.,

So that's two of my consultants targeted then.

I wish there was a magic wand. I seriously believe that our freedoms are slowly working against us.

True Maggie but then all personnel would need a reader of some sort as most of us couldn't tell one finger print from another! But good point.

Fingerprints on the ID card?
They're individual - and it would make it easier to catch first time criminals :-D

So easy to counterfeit ID cards, steal an identity, especially now so much info can be found about all of us. I'm not anti them as such as photo ID is very useful, I just don't think they will work...fine for honest people using them, but that's not who we're talking about.

...Just read that one of the London attackers was carrying an Irish Identity Card :-(

.....so much for the glory of technology!!

Sounds like an idea for sure except how would you stop counterfeit cards?

Side issue it would solve much of the NHS problems as so much is spent on people who shouldn't have free treatment. Forget this rubbish no one wants to be a racist by asking for proof, go to almost any other country and they'll ask for proof of either entitlement or insurance coverage. The triage nurse deals with it not rocket science.

"The IRA were a far stronger and more effective terror organisaton than current pea shooter terrorism which masquerades as islamic. "
Interesting might be the case I don't have access to actual proof of that statement obviously. That said if the IRA were so bad why were they given get out of jail free cards are you saying this is the solution for todays problems?

Ann, I wasn't born then - will my granny's do? :-D :-D :-D

Seriously though, ID cards would be a good idea.

At the moment you can use a driving licence, or passport to prove who you are.
I don't drive - and my passport has nearly run out :-(
I don't fancy spending £72+ on a passport I'm not likely to use very often (if at all)

I'm also of the generation who didn't receive a plastic card with my N number on it - I just know it by heart.
An ID card with photo, NI and NHS number on it would be very useful - could be shown before treatment at hospital, to ensure you're entitled to free healthcare, and to future employers to prove you're entitled to work/claim benefits here. :-D

I have an ID card from the thirties!!!

All very well and good.......but what to do at home?

Interesting links, Sue and Rose - with the Rabbi's past, it does make you wonder, and is indicative of how easy it is for 'sects' to isolate themselves.

I put the link to John Pilger, as it was a bit thought provoking.

Yes, now you would think I would support any anti Zionist group but not so.

There was no attempt at integration (and it wouldn't have been difficult). The same applies to some ethnic groups in the UK but not all.

One things I also found out was that every single citizen carries an ID card, this is needed to make large purchases, pay bills, buy mobile phones etc., My son has one so even though I paid for a local mobile the invoice included his ID number. Visitors had to produce their passports. Makes perfect sense in a country that had seen it's fair share of corruption. Also makes sense in the UK. Want to buy a knife - not without ID linked to a database. Yes huge initial set up costs but worth the money.

I am and always have been in favour of ID cards in the UK.

Same ones Sue? http://www.timesofisrael.com/guatemalan-authorities-raid-secretive-compound-of-jewish-cult/

https://panampost.com/panam-staff/2014/09/02/orthodox-jewish-community-expelled-from-village-in-guatemala/


oh I forgot they were bathing naked in the lake too

Is it right, misguided or just lazy to blame Saudi Arabia and Wahhabism for terrorist attacks?
A piece written by a Muslim. If you can't be bothered reading it, (and I wouldn't blame you) the sixth paragraph down, and the second to last paragraph say quite a bit :-D

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/20/opinion/dont-blame-wahhabism-for-terrorism.html?_r=0

Link's not working Sue?