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Oh dear,now I sound neurotic!

Maybe it is best not to look then Sharron, although it is harrowing, there are some happy endings.

Please don't get yourself wound up about it all, look after yourself <3

If this girl is still alive it's her safety, her feelings, her happyness, her life that should be taken into account. What she says she would like to happen should be taken into account. What she remembers of what went on should be taken into account.
The world can sit & play detective but nobody knows what went on, not even the police are sure what took place. I hope she is alive simply because she will be alive, 2nd so that the guilty ones will one day be found guilty of this crime

I don't know if I could read it Lynda. I get so involved and wound up that I amin the habit of avoiding things like that.

I will have a look at it but I have to have time to psych myself up first.

Sharron, on the first page of this thread, I said about the Mothers of Plaza de Mayo, it's about 1,000's of children and adults being snatched by the authorities in Argentina, here's a link to a BBC news story about it it's harrowing reading, but you will see what mothers and Grandmothers did to find there children after more than 30 years.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-17847134


I know I to, would fight to my dying day to find my children, if they were taken from me.

That's about the size of it.

Where is the point in traumatizing a happy little girl to uphold the letter of the law?

Lynda said that prehaps someone should ring SS here and have the other two children removed ....

Well when they returned to this country it was looked at and it was believed that the twins would be safe staying with their parents

What always worries me is IF they know more and IF its ever found out that they MAY know more what a HUGE pile of do da they will find themselves in!!!!

Sharron, are you saying that if she is happy living with her abductors then she should continue to do so and they should not be charged?

On that basis that teacher who eloped with a 15 year old girl should not be charged as she seemed quite happy.

Sharron, the closest I can think of is where babies born at the same time were accidentally swapped, and the truth only came out much later when the children were 10ish or teens. There have been a few cases where the children have had to have two sets of parents.

One in Russia
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2281687/
Switched-birth--How-families-trying-raise-daughters-14-years-swapped-hospital.html

There was one in the US also, but I can't find details.

Of course the family will know who she is but she may not.

Although the case has been highly publicised in the UK, has the same coverage been taking place in Europe?

It's a bit hard to see how a family she is living with could be unaware of who she is or to be innocent of any wrong doing.

I agree, Sharron. I've wondered a lot about those girls who have just been freed in the US and how they will ever adjust to normal life. I know it's a different situation but I've thought the same about Ben Needham and Madeleine McCann if they ever turn up. I would guess that if they turn out to be alive and to have been loved and cared for it will be very bittersweet for the parents but at least they'd know that? It would be the confusion in the children's lives....

Like you, I don't want to speculate about it and I think all speculation, especially on public forums, is a bit futile.

Like everybody else,I don't know what has happened to Madeleine McCann. I don't even want to speculate.

What I was interesed in when I started this thread was,if she is alive and living with the family who bought or adopted her,how will she be treated if she is found.

How confusing it would be to have had two sets of parents,maybe two lots of siblings or to have had a family with siblings and then none.

Maybe she is Muslim now.

At three it would not have been such a big step to learn a new way of life but she is three times that age now. The emotional traumas of a three year old are very different from those in double figures.

Copied from yahoo news and hour ago:

"Known paedophiles, holidaymakers and Ocean Club staff are thought to be among the dozen suspects identified in a Scotland Yard review of the Madeleine McCann case.

Some of them at least have been questioned in the original Portuguese police investigation, but dismissed without being fully investigated.

A source said: "British detectives on the McCann review have had major problems because the Portuguese police did not record reasons for not pursuing leads."

It won't stop the "I am better than them, I would never be negligent like them, I watch/ed my children 24/7" brigade. And it may not add much to this thread. But I would trust the police to be pretty thorough if they can get full cooperation from Portuguese authorities.

You're entirely correct John, what WE think IS immaterial.

I 'know' no more than anyone else on this board, from whatever angle one views the case.

Leave it to the police. I am sure they will get there in the end. I'm certainly not going to waste their time by contacting them with my suspicions...I am sure they are more than capable of exploring all avenues.

I came back to this thread against my better judgement.

Nobody is saying "we know what happened" so responses in that vein are worthless.

What those of us who have read every published paper since day one of this case are saying is simple:

The parenting was woeful, if you were a suspect wouldn't you answer all the questions put to you by the investigators? Would you trademark your missing child's distinctive feature/name within days? Wouldn't you tell the truth whilst under oath at the Levenson enquiry? Just a few points which make me question many aspects of the case.

Then we have the dogs, dogs don't lie!!!!! You cannot compare this case to any other, this is unique.

I find any term referencing 'armchair sleuths' to be insulting to the many professional people who have written about this case in a thoroughly unbiased, forensically researched manner.

Now that is my final word. I don't have to justify my beliefs to anyone.

Its not a case of judging or presuming, just common sense & responsibility surely?

If you want to go on holiday with a friends & you have children you have to be responsible. If you want to go out have trustworthy childcare or leave the children at home with someone you trust.

This is the sadest case of "out of sight out of mind". Choices were made on that holiday & the parents will have to live with it.

If a family in the UK acted in the same way- leaving small children alone at night on a regular basis I tend to think Social Services would be knocking the door & the public would have little sympathy.

Yes, but what we believe or don't believe is absolutely immaterial, Rose, surely.

A huge amount of money has been spent privately and publicly and a huge amount of time has been wasted if your inkling is right. Is it just intuition that she was not abducted? If not, have you voiced what you know to the police?

There is such a difference between a child wandering away in a split second, or being taken from a public place, and 3 very young children who were left alone, NOT wandering out of sight but PUT deliberately out of sight .

if there was an abduction then the abductor MUST of course be blamed... but I don't believe there was.