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The problem is any 1 with an excuse to stay here .Never gets sent back .cant even get rid off hook bloke costing thousands in Legal aid to keep that the scum in this country.

I want to make it clear here, that my last post was not about Asylum seekers such as Rose is highlighting who need and deserve our help and safety, but the few who have been identified as a threat to our national security. They are actually rarely Afghan...

Just in case it is misread... I firmly believ that people who are truly seeking asylum should be welcomed and helped to stay. Many many of us have ancestry which will include people who have fled to this country to safety. And some who have fled this country because of persecution here, in the past.

Love

Daff xxxx

No neither would I but Rose there are able bodied afghans 18 years and onwards that should be sent back to fight.

Gill

Certainly Gill... over 300 deaths of UK troops ( well over 1000 US troops) ...I don't need to google that sadly...

but I still wouldn't want to send children back to fight!

Sorry rose but that isn't what is happening here, perhaps you could also post the figures to how many of our service people have returned from afghan in boxes.

Gill

20 Jun 2010 ... There are 4200 unaccompanied child asylum seekers in Britain and of these, the majority are from Afghanistan.

2008 "The Australian government is investigating claims that up to 20 Afghan asylum seekers denied entry to Australia were killed by the Taleban after being sent home.

Chris Evans, the country's Immigration Minister, has ordered an inquiry into claims that the murdered refugees were among 400 asylum refugees refused entry into Australia by John Howard's government.

They include a man whose two daughters were killed in a Taleban attack on his family's home near Kabul, after his asylum claim was rejected by Australia in 2002.

Abdul Azmin Rajabi was targeted by the Taleban after rejecting Islam and marrying outside his tribal group. After his father was beaten to death for refusing to say where he was, Mr Rajabi fled to Australia, leaving his wife and children in hiding in Iran. He arrived on Nauru in late 2001, where his claim for asylum was rejected. "

Rose, far too many, as for women and children our young women are fighting their cause, so they should too.

This is my opinion and I don't usually say much about this, but it does anger me when our young people are willing to fight for this country are willing to fight for peace and freedom overseas yet their own flee to other countries. If we could count all asylum seekers and the illegals that are in Europe and UK I expect they could out number our service people over there.

Gill

Gill how many Afghan asylum seekers are in this country? and how many of those are women and children?

I totally agree they should never have been sent there, I am angered when I read about the able bodied afghans that choose to live here and claim our benefits whilst our people go over there and fight 'their' war for them. It's humiliating to think tax paid from a serving soldiers wage is going to an afghan asylum person here in this land.

I agree our people should be brought home and the asylum people should not shirk their duty they should go back and fight for their country.

Many have been, Kevin.... but that doesn't sell newspapers, I am afraid. So they are not reported. But I agree, it can seem soul destroying when we are led to believe that they are all allowed to just walk the streets... 3 have been imprisoned in the last couple of days. Whatever you feel about them being kept here by the British taxpayer, at least we know they are behind bars, where they belong, and not roaming our streets.

A couple of alleged terrorists, who the judge said were highly likely to present a serious threat to our National security, have won their case not to be deported in case they were hurt in their own country, BUT have now had extradition papers served on them by other countries who have had their laws violated by them, possibly... so let us see, shall we? Maybe other Western countries are not as hogtied as our legal system appears, sometimes, to be. Softly softly sometimes works in our favour. I don't stick to headlines, I read the little snippets, hidden away... they say a lot, sometimes, in one small sentence.

Love

Daff xxxx

I now but its seams every Terroist that gets out off prison .Cant be kicked out off the country which we all now they should be.

No we don't have "thousands" Kevin...we have 'some'....

The problem is are fighting Terriost abroad when we have thousands liveing and walking around on our streets.That we cant deport or get rid off because off the human rights rubbish.You give up your rights when you try halm the public.Law needs to change.

God Bless all our boys.

I'm in total agreement with Daff, Rose and Ann.

I don't think we should have gone in the first place but having gone there it has to be seen through.

Gwynne

Daff, Rose and Susan, I agree with you 100% but you have all put it much better than I could have done. MY OH was in the RN and for the time he served he was lucky, he was only near trouble spots twice for a short time in his career. But be sure about it, if there had been a war, he would have gone because that was what he was paid to do, it was what he signed up for. If you see any of the military interviewed they are all convinced they are doing the right thing, they don't say they should be brought home.

Of course we would like to see them home and the 'job' finished and they will be at the right time. It is unfortunate, although inevitable, that the only time we here about what is going on is when we see the hearses parading through Wootton Bassett, or hear of those injured or killed. We never get to hear of the positive side, the good that they are doing, if we did maybe then we'd understand.

For goodness sake Rita... I was an army wife for 34 years, and my hubby went to every major conflict and then a few more besides over the years... he came out aged 53, almost 5 years ago... he has more medals to go on his chest than any veteran of WW1 or 2, so believe me, I do not mean one of them harm... I waited, and prayed, and wept and cried many many times... on my son's birth my hubby was away, and on his wedding day he was going into Baghdad on the first day of the 2nd Gulf war... He totalled 10 years in NI altogether... twice in the first Gulf War, Bosnia, Kosovo and Yugoslavia (10 months in Bosnia, altogether)

So I have been there, done it, and worn the tee shirt.

And do you know what, Rita... he is STILL keeping this country a safe place for you and your family, even now. Because he chooses to.

So I resent the implication that I do not care about what happens to them... I sooooo do. I lived my entire adult life with that fear. So I know better than many what I am talking about. I do not wish a hair on their precious, heroe's heads to be harmed.

But I thank God that they are there to help keep this world a safer place, to try to encourage a safe world for all.

And if our troops move out Rita..... what would you have happen to those Afghans who are working to establish a democracy? Those who are bravely defying the Taliban? The women who have started sending their daughters to school?

You have already stated quite categorically on another thread that there is NO ROOM FOR ANY MORE ASYLUM SEEKERS in this country.

So... what will happen to them Rita? Will you turn your head away while they are stoned to death? Because it is not our problem? Pah!

No troops past or present ever 'deserve' to be killed by anyone... I used , Rita, to consider myself a pacifist but I grew up and learned from history that pacifism whilst a wonderful ideal is not possible, except on a personal and individual level...it takes two pacifists to make a peace, but only one war monger to make a war.

Addressing Afghanistan specifically, the troops were sent there to combat terrorism... terrorism already brought to our doorstep. To attempt to 'take out ' the terrorists without changing the country at it's heart would be pointless, the efforts to make Afghanistan a more stable country with a reasonable, fair infrastructure, are essential . It is not a 'change' of primary target ( ie removal of terrorists) but the logical 'extension' of that target...making sure it is a country which no longer breeds or tolerates terrorists...

You pose the question if it were my son? well he is not yet old enough, but we live in an army training area, I see 'kids' only a couple of years oldrer than him in their uniforms on a daily basis. Would I telll him not to join up...you bet! I would tell him every experience i have of the mental damage I have seen ex soldiers carry, I would show him every photo, every obituary, every newsreport I could muster showing the hurt... I would explain to the best of my ability the political nuances of all the past conflicts and what they were 'fought for'..... and then...I would tell him to keep his head down and that I would be very very proud of him.

You have a right to your opinion Rita, as does every one on here, aren't we 'lucky'.

Rose, and Susan, I agree with both of you 100%

I will just add... regarding terrorists and suchlike.

If we swat one or two wasps in our garden, or wave your arms around like a windmill, it does little but get you a very cross couple of wasps.... if you want to sort out your wasp problem, you attack the nest, and stop it from there.

My hubby and his ilk Know that they can sign off if they wish. They do not HAVE to go. They are professionals, not conscripts. They choose their path, knowing what the outcome might be.

Tough as it is for those of us who love them and wish them safe, they are far more courageous and self sacrificing than you and me. They believe they can make a difference. And they have. They are, And they will.

They are heroes, because they know the dangers of their work and still do it... many of them volunteer to go back earlier than they have to, they feel so strongly about what they are doing.

I wish there was an end to it, and we could all walk safely, learn, live, and love as we choose... all over the world. But that is not the case.

We have a wonderful group of people in this country, dedicated to keeping us safe and nursing us back to health... the Armed Forces, the Police, Ambulance, Firebrigade, and our Doctors and Nurses.

Love

Daff xxx

My father was there in the 1920's with the British Army fighting the mad Afghans!
After nearly 100 years nothing much has changed - there is no short term solution in that country!


xxxx mick