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Ha, that's fine for you. My Nottinghamshire Smith was ... James Smith.

Apparently Jim Smith is *the* most common name in the English-speaking world. (Or at least it was before the onslaught of Kyles and Tylers and whatnot.) I heard tell once of a Jim Smith club for the poor unfortunates. I wonder whether they accept descendants? ;)

There are Smith's on my in-law branch.

I put off researching them as very little was known. But then followed a hunch re the 1901 Census and was able to track them to Cambridge. (My last in-law named Smith had been born and lived all her life in Birmingham).
These Smiths often gave their children unusual forenames, so were easier to track via Census records than my Welsh lot.

yes
elizabeth ellen smith married nathan marriott

all three of them are in the passengers list

http://search.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=View&r=an&dbid=1263&iid=CANIMM1913PLIST_2000908329-00028&fn=Nathan&ln=Marriott&st=r&ssrc=pt_t3244088_p-1567352463_g32768_r_h_l&pid=1566277


Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
about Nathan Marriott
Name: Nathan Marriott
Gender: Male
Age: 52
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Birth Country: England
Date of Arrival: 16 Sep 1928
Vessel: Megantic
Search Ship Database: View the 'Megantic' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Roll: T-14749


no just flornce is on the list with her perants

So Shelly -- your Marriott did marry a Smith!

Marriages Dec 1902
King Maud W. Ham 4a 552
> Marriott Nathan W. Ham 4a 552
Shephard Alfred Johnson W. Ham 4a 552
>>>> Smith Elizabeth Ellen W. Ham 4a 552

This must be them in 1911

MARRIOTT ELIZABETH 1886 25 West Ham Essex
MARRIOTT FLORRIE 1909 2 West Ham Essex
MARRIOTT ELIZABETH 1905 6 West Ham Essex
MARRIOTT MINNIE 1908 3 West Ham Essex

Are there no other children in the passenger list?

Harrumph, Jean. No travellers in my tree. Not that it wouldn't be more interesting than ag labs. The two Smith clans I know of, Cornwall and Nottinghamshire, were pretty ordinary, I fear. Ag labs in Notts; not sure about Cornwall, it was too long ago. Probably miners.

I do wonder about the other mystery male ancestor, a Barnard from Wiltshire who was a gold beater and somehow ended up in Scotland in the 1830s before settling into the workhouse back in Wiltshire. Seems a gypsyish trade, and there is a clan of Barnard travellers. But those ones were from around Kent I think (I've played with some of them on TTF), and mine go way back in Wiltshire and in fact are the source, from the mid 1600s, of a couple of brothers who settled Nantucket Island, and a huge and widespread mess of people of that surname in the US now, by my theory. ;)

iv got her her in the passengers list with her mother and father
nathan and elizabeth

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
about Flornce Jane P Marriott
Name: Flornce Jane P Marriott
Gender: Female
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1910
Birth Country: England
Date of Arrival: 16 Sep 1928
Vessel: Megantic
Search Ship Database: View the 'Megantic' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Roll: T-14749

Shelly, hmm

Births Mar 1910
MARRIOTT Florence Jane F W.Ham 4a 114

I can't spot her for sure in 1911. Who was her mother?

Daff, indeed -- you would have crossed paths with their paths. ;)

They were all Littlers by 1841. Samuel Littler first married Elizabeth Rushland, granddaughter of Berry Rushland III (not Jr as I said, there were three of them in a row - at least), then she died, and the husband of her sister Sarai died, so Sam and Sarai hooked up (but couldn't marry). They were among my more prosperous ancestors, something to do with horses I think, and from the first wife, veterinarians. Two of Sam and Sarai's grandsons came to Canada, my gr-grfather being one. That batch moved to Nottinghamshire first though. None left in the Hose area that I know of now.

Smith being the surname for a lot of gypsy families, you may get some interesting relations.

janey yes thats my nathan marriott he married elizabeth ellen smith

you will also find him on the old baily site think it was 1911
that was a good read as we live in the same eara

you could help to see if he had eny more children i only have flonce jane F marriott born 1910 west ham

his and elizabeth death would be nice

maybe there is a photo of him some were in the canadian records
but think that would be pushing my luck


http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=def1-50-19110207&div=t19110207-50#highlight

Toronto it will have to be then.
Shame about Calgary. We have links to a chocolatier there.........

What is it with these familes with a 'thing' about a particular name, even if it's not their given name.

I know what you mean about those submitted trees.
Apparently my great grandmother died in 1890s. but still managed to give birth in 1919
( she in fact died 1924, her last child being born in 1888 )


Gwyn

I used to go to a gp in Long Clawson.... my son worked in the dairy, introducing the mold to the Stilton........

Those were the days. So I might have bumped into rellies of yours.

Oh, and I had a friend in Stathern... son number 2 went to school in Rutland..... son number 1 went to Ashby De La Zouch grammar.... now why do I know Hose? I lived in that area, for a few years.... imagine, I might have walked in your ancestor's footsteps....

None of them were Smith.... or Marriot. Oh.... my Marriot is with one *t*

Love

Daff xxxx

I have actual family in Toronto, or within an hour of it, anyhow. ;)

My sister should be finished the huge reno project she's just embarked on, in the near future. Except that with my brother doing it ... when it's done, though, there will be new hardwood floors everywhere, a new kitchen -- and the basement will be all finished and ready for guest occupancy!

Calgary, that would be a little more problematic ... and yucky. Real Canadians don't even like to acknowledge Alberta's existence, let alone go there.

I'm trying to find out more about this Frances Marriott. The danged nuisance is that Berry Sr and Jr both married Frances-s, except Berry Jr seems really to have married Tryphoena Yalding (yes, another Tryphoena) from Stathern (between Hose and Grantham) and then proceeded to have her call herself Frances ... which prompted one of those idiot distant cousins to submit to the Mormons that he married his mother ...


No father shown in the parish record of the marrriage
http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/SearchResults.pl?RecordType=Marriages&RecordID=1082316


According to somebody's Ancestral File, a Francis Marriott married a Smith in Northamptonshire in 1762. ;)

Can you make Toronto or Calgary.?

We have 'family' in both places !

Gwyn

Yes -- google maps tells me Hose is about 10 miles west of Grantham. Goodness me. Shall we start organizing the family reunion picnic? Your side of the pond or mine?

Well, here's my Marriott

BERRY RUSHLAND
Spouse: FRANCES MARRIOTT
Marriage: 17 JUN 1780 Long Clawson, Leicester, England
Batch No.: M060351

Some idiotic distant cousins of mine have repeatedly submitted the marriage as taking place in Caythorpe, Lincolnshire, which it obviously didn't -- but Berry himself was born in Caythorpe, and his father Berry in Boston. Frances, though, was Leicestershire I think - Rushland Farm and Marriott Bridge are close by in Long Clawson.

... I really don't know this geography ...

http://www.granthamcanal.com/leisure/lin3.htm

Mariott's Bridge is over the Grantham Canal?

So .......... cousin???

No SMITHs in my line, but I have got smiths....blacksmiths. They seem to come from a long line of smiths, so I wonder why they never got that surname...?
To be truthful, I have got a couple of 'married ins'...same goes for MARRIOTT
. I think my MARRIOTT hailed from Grantham, Lincolnshire area.

Gwyn

Oh not the shape-shifting mad Monck, please no deal ! LOL

Oh, yes, Lindsey, here's the chance for everybody to fob off their unsavoury ancestors on moi. ;)

Oxfordshire is one place where I have not the slightest rootlet. So he's all yours. Otherwise I might offer, in trade, the Rev. Francis Ward Monck, once a Baptist cleric, more famously a famous ectoplasm-channeller, who counted Conan Doyle and other prominent personnages among his fans ... until he became the first person to be sentenced to prison for fake psychic doings under the old Vagrancy Act. I mean, I'd offer him, if I ever manage to prove that old Ernest Hill really was the son of the black sheep younger brother of the 5th Viscount Monck, to whom Francis was undoubtedly related!

Shelly!

This is your Nathan Marriott in 1901?

Name: Nathan Marriott
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Relation: Marrie Secy Boy (Boy) ??
Where born: Cambridge, Cambridgeshire
(in 1881 he says born in Barton)

Civil parish: Woolwich
County/Island: London
Registration district: Woolwich
Sub-registration district: Woolwich Dockyard
ED, institution, or vessel: Ship War Spite


I don't see his birth, but .......

Marriages Dec 1902
King Maud W. Ham 4a 552
> Marriott Nathan W. Ham 4a 552
Shephard Alfred Johnson W. Ham 4a 552
???? Smith Elizabeth Ellen W. Ham 4a 552

But he probably married Maud King, I suppose. ;)

This is him in 1911?

INSTITUTION MARRIOTT NATHAN 1875 36 Fulham London

The institution seems to be military barracks; the other residents are all young men. Or maybe more likely - is it a prison, where he was serving the sentence?

Oh Janey surely not !!

I will willingly share grandpa the Rev George Benjamin Smith of Oxford. Who franticly raised funds for his Brighton mission for fallen women,
{whilst felling a few for himself !! }

This fine upstanding pillar of the Methodist church '

Not until his will was read was anything known about his several illegitimate offspring !