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The point here is legal precedence.

Ronnie Biggs absconded from jail whilst serving a 30 year sentence. The Law demands that when he re-entered the UK he had to be re-arrested to serve the remaining "tarriff" of his sentence. If he was to be freed, the decision could be used in the future as a legal argument in other cases where an absconder returns to the UK. This person could be a mass murderer, paedophile or whatever, but because Biggs had been freed under a certain set of criteria then if those same criteria applied to another criminal, they would be perfectly entitiled to use the Biggs case as a valid legal argument to be released from their sentence.

The Law has to be seen to be applied on an equal measure to everyone; therefore any decision made by the court or the judicial system does set a precedent and has ramifications for any subsequent cases. If Huntley DID escape and return in 35 years time with failing health, he could legitimately argue that as Biggs had been freed under these conditions, then he should be freed to.

Now who would want that?

The point is, he did the crime and now he needs to do the time. Yes he is ill and like Muffy has said, he came back for mercenary reasons...........

He "stole" his money and spunked the lot of it away in Brazil living the high life. He has never shown any remorse for his crime. Now he wants out of jail and wants the UK tax payer to foot the bill for his nursing home fees (as that is where he will end up) ..........well I am a tax payer and I dont want it spent on scum like him..............I don't want it spent on the likes of Huntley/Bradey and the likes either, but at least they are locked up and will never get out................i hope.

If I had my choice, my tax would be spent on Great Ormond Street and the likes and animal welfares as opposed to tophats like him.......................

rant over................

good debate Sue.x

He made his choice when he absconded and lived the life of riley in Brazil.

No one made him come back.........he did it for purely mercenary purposes.

I don't care what he's in for.......he has a sentence to serve.

And if you make an exception for him.........who next?

Ian Huntley?

The question is - what's the point?

Do we send people to prison to protect society? If so, fair enough- there are people who are so maladjusted that we can't take a chance on ever letting them free to reek havoc ever again.

Do we send people to prison to punish them by taking away their liberty?
Fair enough, again - but how much more do we need to punish a man who's incapable of speech and movement?

Or do we send people to prison to make us feel as if we've had an eye for an eye? if so, we should hang our collective heads in shame.

Sue x

well the train driver was never able to work again - with regard to releasing paedophiles, that it plainly wrong, as is much of the justice system it seems to me

We are now speaking of an elderly, incapacitated man.

According to his son, which is common knowledge, I believe, Ronnie Biggs cannot communicate or feed himself. He cannot stand up unaided.

Ronnie may well have been guilty of a crime in the 60's. Yes, the driver assaulted, died about 7 years later.Was his death solely due to this event?

Whilst I do have sympathy with the driver's family, we have to remember, that this is now the 21st century.

This is now when it seems acceptable to release paedophiles after 5 years sentence, when it is known that this particular individual, will certaily re- offend.

Who is the most dangerous to society?....Not Rocket Science...Is It?

just that it was a Jack Straw decision to free him

How does Pinochet come into this? As far as I know he never committed a crime against anyone in Britain. He was certainly not tried for train robbery and violence in any British court.

and Margaret Thatcher ran after Pinochet's plane to give him a farewell gift!!!!!

Still undecided about Biggs; but Jack Straw freed the dreadful Pinochet.

Something I find appaling, as Ann has mentioned the Jamie Bulger murderers, one of them was due to get married (can't remember what one..Thompson I think) and his then "wife to be" was not told anything about his past...all covered up! Let's hope she doesn't decide to do his family history!!

Thank you Ann, that is it in a nutshell !!!!!

he should stay in prison until he dies - would you want Ian Huntley, the Soham muderer, released at any time because he was ill? I donlt think so and the same goes for Myra Hindley's partner in crime - he is ill too, albeit mentally ill, but in prison he should stay, along with that other piece of dross Rose West. Jamie Bulger's murderers were let out - why I will never knoiw - they were old enough to know what they were doing and they should never have walked free

Ronnie Biggs lived the high life free from justice for so many years - he became a sort of celebrity - he was part of a gang which was responsible for the ultimate death of an innocent hard working man - had he served his sentence in the first place he would have been free years ago - what goes round comes round!!!

Sorry but the Driver of the train Who Biggs said Laughingly "only had a tap on the head" did,nt live a very long or happy life afterwards,He should stay where he is.In Jail,**M**.

i loved that film myself the sound tracks are brill


question
WHY was Ronnie biggs ex wife Charmaine
never charged with aiding abetting an absconder
she spent the money to and helped hide him

Buster Edwards never won my heart.
In my opinion that movie starring Phil Collins was the lowest point in the history of the British film industry

If he'd served his sentence at the time instead of running away to enjoy himself he would have been out by now. Why should he have it both ways? He was given a sentence, he needs to serve it. He's had plenty of time free to see his family.

I don't want to sound harsh but so what that he's old and dying? So what that he's not happy? So what that his son doesn't think this is justice? It IS justice. I can't see that the son of a villain would have much of an opinion about justice in any event so how can we take him seriously?

Leave him there.

Jill

reggie kray got let out to die
he was by far a worse person than ronnie biggs
ronnie has PD and is no threat to nobody
if he was well i would say leave him there to rot
but i am trying to show some compassion
for his family if not for him
ronnie is near to death anyway
so the only diffrence it will make is to his family

and i do have every sympathy for jack mills family to

Buster Edwards was part of the same robbery gang
and he won all your hearts when played by Phil Collins

Heaven help us from bleeding heart liberals who would let every villain out of prison just because they are ill.............
Jack Mills the train driver may have died of leukemia but he was a top grade main line engine driver whose health was ruined by "a slight tap on the head" and he never worked again. I repeat - the train robbers were thugs.
Keep Biggs in jail until he is ready for his box.

Sorry, JoyBoroAngel, but I have to ask you to clarify your post.
Mr Biggs should be freed because:
He is an old man - what do you think should be the maximum age for putting a convicted criminal in prison? 80? 50? 20?
He has served a long time in prison - No, he spent a long time on the run, charging people £50 a pop to be photographed with him. Do you really think that this should count towards his sentence?
He just stole money off the government - Believe it or not, the government does not have ANY money. It belongs to you, me and the rest of the population. Can you really justify letting him out because he stole our money?
He is costing the taxpayers a fortune - As a reason for letting him go free you must thereore let every other prisoner out for the same reason surely?
I do agree with your part about the PMs ripping us off though.