Genealogy Chat

Ann

It is not unknown for illegitimate children to make up the name of a father to put on the marriage certificate.

They made up the name, used the name of their grandfather, the name of a friend of the family, or may be even part of the name of their "real" father if they knew it.


It seems that while there was much less discrimination against illegitimate children back in those days than we might imagine ...... some of them thought it looked better for the in-laws if there was a father's name on the certificate.

AND .... they seem to be almost always deceased!!!



If the birth certificate does not have a father's name on there, then the child was illegitimate.


So there really isn't a mystery ..... she was just telling porkies!!



sylvia

hi sylvia
i wil l look into this as you say it might have been grandfathers name but i cant find anything on louise s family at all.but thanks for explaining it all to me

Ann, would really have been helpful if you had told us ALL you knew at the beginning.

If its any help, if Spencer Doming was her dad, here is a likely candidate, born near Croydon as it happens and a marred man: Spencer is a very unsual name as is Doning:

Spencer Doming
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Mortlake, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: Lady Wood
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 225
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Doming 38
Fanny Doming 15
Henry Doming 12
Spencer Doming 42
Charlotte Jones 20


If it were me, Id be looking at the Halton family in Surrey to see what the connection is.

heather
i dont think this would be the right spencer as he was born in 1829 a good 20 years before Louisa

Well, 42 year old men do have affairs with 22 year olds!

He is the only Spencer Doming coming up in the census.

Ann


we all have illegitimate babies in the ancestral past. One of my great great aunts on my mother's side had at least 5 children without being married ........... you could drive yourself bonkers trying to find the father(s)!!


Remember .................... most men did not want to be acknowledged as the father of an illegitimate baby.

If they did, then the parish would come down on them to support that baby and its mother ....... with money! Besides ............ their wives might get mad.


So, as always, the men had their fun and the women paid.


And, of course, a man of 42 could have an affair with a lass of 22 .................. as could a man of 62. There have always been young women that are blinded by what a man tells them!


or else they were the village scrubber ........... although they usually knew enough not to get pregnant in the first place.



sylvia

Ann,


I wasn't saying that it WAS her grandfather's name ........ I'm just saying that some people have found that to be the case.


I really do think you are flogging a dead horse here.



If there is no father's name on the birth certificate, and the mother's surname is the same as the child's then the baby was illegitimate.


Even if the husband had died between conception and birth, his name would have been on there as father.


Your only possible chance of finding out the father's name, and it is a very slim one, would be if you find the parish register and find the entry in there.


Very very occasionally, the parish priest would make a notation in the margin of the register naming the putative father.


As I said, a very slim chance that it might have happened in your case.




sylvia

heather
I have just looked into the spencer doming you said about but his wife was called Ellen and was born in Birmingham

sylvia
I just really want to find out who louisa's parents are as without this I cant go back any further in my family tree

Ann,

I'm sorry, but you may just have to accept that you will be able to trace only the mother. That her father will always remain unknown.


sylvia

Sylvia
It is not annies mother I want to find it is Louisa,s as it says on the 1871 census she was born in Poole dorset but i cant find anything on her

Have you got this information - can't remember if it was on the thread or not?

1861 - Strand Street, Poole St. James

Jemima Brown Head Unm 38 Washerwoman b. Dorset Lychett
George Brown Son 12 Ropemaker b. Poole
Louisa Dominy Dau 6 b. Poole
Thomas Dominy Lodger Unm 29 Labourer b. Poole

I have the impression the enumerator got a little confused and meant Louisa was Thomas' daughter, not Jemima's. I also think they wrote "Unm" where they meant "Wid".

Found this on Marriages but one bride missing . . .

Jun qtr 1851 Dorchester reg dist vol 8 pg 117
Thomas Dominey
Charles Read
Lydia Alice White

A Louisa Dominey did die in Dec qtr 1857 in Poole - I wonder if little Louisa was named after her mother?

Louisa Dominey
Dec qtr 1857 Poole
5a 188

A Louisa Barnes b. 1830 is on 1851 census, born Poole, living in Lychett Matravers, Devon - will follow this up.

Can't find her in correct quarter on Ancestry image to match with Thomas.

kate
Thanks i will look up the information you gave me on Thomas Dominy who was lodging with gemima brown although my Louisas surname was doming but its worth a try also to look up louisa who died in 1857 many thanks

This thread is still confusing people as the title is Louisa Dominey and it should be Doming.

Christine

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