Genealogy Chat

Im trying to find without success any documents which can verify a persons date of birth location etc.This was because of lies on the marriage certificate!! ive tried army records cheshire regiment etc etc but so far no success.Also still looking for dock labourer union records for liverpool c1914 which we know he would have been part of but tried without success to locate any.It looks so easy on the who do you think you are programme with registers etc being made available.Any help would be much gratefully received.

so approx how old do you think he was at marriage. where was he born and do you know his parents names. need some search crtieria

He put 31 on marriage certificate in 1915 which would make birth 1883 1884 We guess its liverpool and there is one there but he is on 1901 census but nothing else.Wife put 31 on cert but was 37! Father he puts was john coleman.The reason we cant find anything he walked out one year after marriage
cheers
bill

thers several John or Jno Colemans born around that time that are from Ireland on the 1901 census.Having not married till he was in his thirties my guess would be he was Irish .
Dont know how you will verify which one he was

shirley everytime you check one of the john colemans none of the info ties up with the relations on the census further back.As his grandson says he doesnt want to be found! thanks again

William,

Do you know when he died?

BW

Jane

jane tried looking for that and bought a few certs only one we can see is 1953 death of john coleman in liverpool but not bought that one yet.
thanks
bill newton

have you the marriage cert William where did they marry .was it in a Catholic church.
I had this thought that if it was then its another pointer to him being maybe from Southern Ireland

Hi Bill,

If the John Coleman who died in Liverpool is yours, his death certificate would indicate that he was 78 in 1953, meaning his year of birth would have been 1875.

You said he lied on his marriage certificate. Maybe he really wasn't sure of his age - BUT, if he was lying, why?

Anyway, what about this one from the 1881 census? It would appear that his mother is a widow who was working in a cotton warehouse. She was born in Ireland as were the couple with whom they were boarding. Lodger was originally written as their position in the household and it has been crossed through and boarder written over the top. They might have been related - Celia Cain and Mary could have been sisters.

Name: John Coleman
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Boarder Son (Boarder's Son)
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 16 CT 8 H Nailor St
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Howard Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Andrew Cain 40
Celia Cain 38
John Cain 16
Patrick Cain 8
John Coleman 5
Mary Coleman 30

Victoria

There are two births of John Colemans in 1876 in Liverpool -

Name: John Coleman
Year of Registration: 1876
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Liverpool (1837-1934)
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 71

and

John Coleman
Year of Registration: 1876
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Liverpool (1837-1934)
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 82

You could use father's name as John as a checking point.

Then there is -

John James Coleman
Year of Registration: 1876
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Liverpool (1837-1934)
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 64

and, finally -

Name: John Coleman
Year of Registration: 1875
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Liverpool (1837-1934)
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 52

These are the mostly likely.

Victoria [who has to get to bed because it's nearly 3am!]

thank you victoria and shirley owe you drink apiece for your efforts.John was married in st peters church liverpool but its funny because his grandson says theres is story of a catholic priest trying to get money from them and john bashed him up for taking it!! i checked newspapers from that time but nowt there.The john coleman who died in liverpool 1953 was 61 not 75 which leads me to think he lied because he would of only been 23 24 when getting married and she was 37.That john is probably one of the suspects as hes on 1901 census and father is john too.
thanks
bill newton

Bill, I am sure it said 78 against the name of John Coleman in the MARCH quarter of 1953!!

As for the disparity in ages. My great grandfather was 25 in the 1881 census and claimed to be 34 when he married a 39 year old widow with whom he had been lodging, in 1884.

Don't ever discount anything until you are absolutely sure of the facts!!

Victoria