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I found these births and wondered if it was possible for them to be twins even with different page number.

Catherine Gavin b. Sept 1857 Liverpool 8b 64
Margaret Gavin b. Sept 1857 Liverpool 8b 66

Is is possible or not?

Maisy

Unlikely.........the writing on the image is very clear

Check 1861 census to see if they are together

Reg

This may be Margaret in 1861

Name: Margaret Gavin
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Bridget
Gender: Female
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Normanby
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England


Registration district: Guisbrough
Sub-registration district: Kirk Leatham
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 181
Household Members: Name Age
Bridget Gavin 25 b. Ireland
Daniel Gavin 1 B. South Bank Village, Yorks
Margaret Gavin 3
Thomas Gavin 28 b. Ireland

Reg

I have 1881 census with Margaret Gavin living at 7 New Street, Bootle. She is a visitor and is 24 years old born in Liverpool.

In April 1881 my gt grandmother, Catherine Gavin gave her address as 7 New Street on marriage cert. She is 24 years old and was also born in Liverpool on later census.

Trying to work out if these 2 are connected and can only find the births as above.

The way to find out for certain would be to buy the birth certs........

Reg

What is Catherine's father's name? And his occupation?

Reg

I did buy the birth cert for Catherine but I still wasn't sure it was the correct one. Her father was Patrick Gavin and he was a farm labourer on certificate. I found them on 1861 census and he was a chair bottomer but there is no sign of a Margaret Gavin on 1861 census.

Is the father's info from the marriage cert?

Reg

The different page numbers would be because all the Gavins b in that quarter are in alphabetical order of their first names. Could have been quite a few Gavins b in that quarter.

Does anybody know how many births are on each page?

On marriage cert. father Patrick James Gavin a labourer.

On birth cert. Patrick Gavin famers labourer.

Carolling Crow:
I don't think they are alphabetical, except when displayed by FreeBMD. For 8b only, the GRO has for Gavan: James 72, John 72, Margaret 62, William 72; and for Gavin, the GRO index has: Catherine 64, Margaret 66, Mary 11.

It is possible for twins to be on different pages, but only if one's last on the earlier page, and the other's first on the next page. You can't tell the order on the page from FreeBMD, since it will reorder its page display alphabetically. The pages 64, 65, 66 contain 10, 10, 9 records respectively, so your "twins" are at least 10 births apart. The image is quite clear (why doesn't this happen for my rellies) and FreeBMD have made an accurate transcription of the GRO index.

Maisy:
Just a suggestion, but why not add a postem containing the cert info for Catherine on the FreeBMD page. You can click on the red [info] box next to Cath's name to do this. Although it's not applicable here, full info from a marr cert is a tight fit, so you'ld surely have to drop headings when it's obvious what they are.
Note that here you only have to enter "births" + date + 8b + 64 in the FreeBMD search bring up Cath's page.

Malcolm, with my Auger twins in 1840, Edwin is 2 or 3 lines before Emma, and that is on the microfiche of the GRO births index. All names in that are alphabetical, not just for twins. It is not a transcript. And of course all districts are included.
I have not used FreeBMD.

Huia.

I thought it was normal for a time of birth to be entered on cert. when there were twins?

The names are alphabetical on the INDEX but the page number in the reference refers to the page in the REGISTER. Twins would normally be registered at the same time and so be on the same page in the register, or just possibly one at the bottom of one page and the other at the top of the following page.

Sorry I've not replied before.

Libby9 - I bought the only birth cert for Catherine born about the correct time. Her father is Patrick Gavin but the mother is Mary so I don't think the census you found was the right one for them as the mother was Catherine.

For everyone who replied to this thread I'd like to say thank you for taking the time to try and help me.

Many thanks once again.

Maisy

Yes, Judith, I dont know if I made that clear. Blame it on the fact that I posted at 11.09 p.m. after a full day finishing with a long dress rehearsal for this afternoons concert.

They can be some distance apart in the INDEX but on the same page in the REGISTER.

Huia.

And time of birth on a birth cert is no gaurantee that a birth is either for a single child or a sign of a multiple birth, it can apply just as easily to any birth certificate, it depends on the registrar.

Glen

Judith:
Thanks for clearing up the confusion between Carolling Crow and me. I'm much more used to looking at the local registry, since images of these pages are what one normally buys thru ScotlandsPeople - an actual certified copy of an entry (which is what one normally buys in England) costs 10 quid - about 10 times as much as a page image.

You can see a (free) image at:
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/images/famousscots/birthCharlesRMcintosh1868.tif
Mcintosh was a talented architect, designer and artist: http://www.crmsociety.com/
Note that (as is typical for Scotland) all births have a time noted.