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Hi
My ggggrandfather Thomas Roberts was born in 1813 in Kemsing, Kent son of Thomas and Ann Roberts. Thomas Snr was a servant and butler who died in Kemsing in 1835. They had wed in 1807 in Patrixbourne in East Kent.
Thomas born 1813 and his wife Esther had a daughter Ann Elizabeth Roberts born in 1851 in Woolwich, Kent. They are on the 1861 census in Brighton. Esther died in 1863 and Thomas moved to London and remarried in 1864 and he describes his father as Thomas Roberts deceased, Servant.
Ann Elizabeth Roberts is living with Henry & Elizabeth Bloomfield aged 60 (born St George Han square, London c1810) in 177 Grange Road Bermondsey, South London in 1871 census born Woolwich Kent, with a daughter Ann Luff Roberts aged 1 who was born at 177 Grange Road in Oct 1869. Ann wed in 1873 to Sidney Luff, thus making Ann Luff Roberts just Ann Luff as her mum wed her alleged father.
In the 1881 census, Elizabeth Bloomfield was the Head of Household, aged 70, born St George Han square, widowed and still living at 177 Grange Road, with Ann Luff aged 11 and her sister Esther Luff aged 7. Their father Sidney had died in 1874 and their mum remarried in 1878 to Henry Bastable. Ann and Esther were neices to Elizabeth on the 1881 census.
Henry Bloomfield, Elizabeth's late husband had married her in 1852 and her maiden name was Elizabeth Roberts, and the 1852 marriage cert says that she was 41 and fathers name was Thomas Roberts, a Butler. I found Elizabeth on the 1841 and 1851 census with her mum Ann Roberts, born c1777, and widowed in 1851 and appeared to be the head of household in 1841 as she had no husband. Meaning that Elizabeth Roberts born 1810 in London must be the sister of Thomas Roberts born in Kent in 1813.
But Ann was born c1777 in Bermondsey, Surrey/London. So that must mean that she moved out to Kent c1805 wed Thomas Roberts in 1807 and because of Thomas's job as a servant, they switched between their employers London and Kent country estates. Also St George Hanover square is a posh area of London.
Ben
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I've seen great nieces being called nieces on the census before, so it all sounds quite reasonable until the last paragraph. I don't see why it's 1805 that Ann moved to Kent. It troubles me that Patrixbourne and Kemsing are 40 miles apart. How many Kent estates does Thos's boss have?
An equally plausable explanation to me is that Ann got a job in Hanover Sq, and by 1807, in the last 30 y her parents had moved to Patrixbourne, where Ann went to get married, then the newly weds returned to Hanover Sq to continue working and have Eliz in due course. They must have moved Kemsing by 1813, but it's not clear they were still in the employ of the Hanover Sq folks.
[NB Kemsing is 4m NE of Sevenoaks, and Patrixbourne is 5m SE of Canterbury.]
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Hi Malcolm
Yes I agree with your theory, maybe Ann met Thomas in Hanover sq c1805 as that was a posh part of London, so plenty of opportunity for servants work, and they might have met in the same house then they went to Kent to wed in 1807 then returned to London. Or it could be their employers had estates in London and Kent and the family went where they went. I dont know how many estates Thomas boss had yet.
It has to be the same family though as all the evidence matches. Ann E Roberts wed Sidney Luff in 1873 and described her dad as Thomas Roberts, which ties in with her July 1851 birth cert in Woolwich. Thomas b1813 and Elizabeth b1810 had to be siblings as their parents were Thomas and Ann and their father had the same job. It is they probably switched from London to Kent a few times.
Ben
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