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18 Nov 2007 19:42 |
I am trying to trace the whereabouts of my great-grandfather after 1871. His name is George Albert COLE born July 1868 in Mattishall Burgh, Norfolk to parents George and Jemima COLE. He appears on the 1871 census living with his parents in Norfolk as expected but is not with them on either the 1881 or 1891 censuses. He appears again on the 1901 living in North Yorkshire with his wife Elizabeth who he married in 1893 and four children. Can anyone suggest where I might look next please as I am at a loss where to go from here.
Many many many thanks, Caz
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Selena in South East London
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18 Nov 2007 19:53 |
could this be him?
George COLE Other Information: Birth Year Birthplace Wenhaston, Suffolk, England Age 14 Occupation Scholar Marital Status Head of Household Sophia Louisa FISK Relation Inmate Disability -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Institution "Blything Union Workhouse" Bulcamp Census Place Blythburgh, Suffolk, England Family History Library Film 1341456 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 1891 / 136
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18 Nov 2007 19:55 |
1871 for ref Name: George A Cole Age: 2 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869 Relation: Son Father's Name: George A Mother's Name: Jemima Gender: Male Where born: Mattishall Burgh, Norfolk, England Civil Parish: Mattishall Burgh County/Island: Norfolk Country: England Street address:
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Disability: View Image Registration district: Mitford Sub-registration district: Mattishall ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 34 Household Members: Name Age George A Cole 26 George A Cole 2 Jemima Cole 23 Louise Cole 1
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Selena in South East London
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18 Nov 2007 20:03 |
1881 - so where is Louise cole?
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability George COLE Head M Male 34 Matt Burgh, Norfolk, England Ag Lab Jemima COLE Wife M Female 33 N Tuddenham, Norfolk, England Ag Lab Wife
Source Information: Dwelling Nr Nortons Farm Census Place Mattishall Burgh, Norfolk, England Family History Library Film 1341476 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 1977 / 88
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Caz
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18 Nov 2007 20:07 |
Hi Selena, thanks for your interest. I'm not sure is the honest answer. I know Blything is not the union workhouse local to where the family lived but he may have been there for some other reason. I certainly can't discount it and it gives me somewhere else to look.
Thanks again Caz
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18 Nov 2007 20:10 |
Unlikely, do you know who his grandparents were?\
George COLE Other Information: Birth Year Birthplace Withington, Hereford, England Age 13 Occupation Encaustick Tile Work Marital Status Head of Household Sarah COLE Relation Grandson Source Information: Dwelling Withington Lakes Census Place Withington, Hereford, England Family History Library Film 1341624 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 2590
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18 Nov 2007 20:12 |
Hi Selena and June,
yes that's them. I hadn't even noticed that Louise is missing from the 1881 as well. That's something else to look at. Oh dear lol.
Caz
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Jim The Ferret
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18 Nov 2007 20:13 |
this is what I found in 1881 1881 England Census about Jemima Cole Name: Jemima Cole Age: 33 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: George Gender: Female Where born: N Tuddenham, Norfolk, England Civil Parish: Mattishall Burgh County/Island: Norfolk Country: England Street address: Nr Nortons Farm Condition as to marriage: Married Education:
Employment status: View Image Occupation: Ag Lab Wife Registration district: Mitford Sub-registration district: Mattishall ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Arthur Cole 10 Caroline Cole 3 George Cole 34 Jemima Cole 33 Louisa Cole 12
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 1977; Folio: 88; Page: 21; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341476.
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18 Nov 2007 20:15 |
1891
1891 England Census about Jemima L Cole Name: Jemima L Cole Age: 41 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: George Gender: Female Where born: North Tuddenham, Norfolk, England Civil Parish: Eston Ecclesiastical parish: Eston Town: Eston County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address:
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Employment status: View Image Registration district: Middlesbrough Sub-registration district: Ormesby ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Caroline Cole 15 George Cole 43 Jemima L Cole 41 William Cole 9 View Original Record
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Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4015; Folio 46; Page 49; GSU roll: 6099125.
and 1901 1901 England Census about Jemima Cole Name: Jemima Cole Age: 53 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: George Gender: Female Where born: North Todnens, Norfolk, England Civil Parish: Eston Ecclesiastical parish: Eston St Helen Town: Eston County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address:
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Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: Middlesbrough Sub-registration district: Ormesby ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 182 Household Members: Name Age George Cole 54 Jemima Cole 53 William J Cole 20 View Original Record
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Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4584; Folio: 42; Page: 30.
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18 Nov 2007 20:16 |
Yes, his grandparents were Robert and Rachel Cole also from Norfolk.
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18 Nov 2007 20:18 |
Hi Jim,
yes that's his parents but he is not with them.
Caz
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Selena in South East London
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18 Nov 2007 20:38 |
Well done Jim!
Selena
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18 Nov 2007 20:46 |
These are the Cole households in Mattishall Burgh in 1881.
William 75 Hannah (wife) 82
Christmas Cole (yes that’s what it says) 47 Ann (wife) 48 Emily (dau) 13
Rachel Cole – Widow – 58 Annie Laurie – grand daughter – 6 James Elliott – lodger –
George Cole 34 Jemima Cole – wife – 33 Louisa – dau – 12 Arthur – son – 10 Caroline – dau – 3
Did George really marry Elizabeth COLE or is that an error?
Jim
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18 Nov 2007 20:48 |
Hi everyone,
sorry but I have to go off line for a while. I will check back later. Many thanks for your help.
Caz
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18 Nov 2007 21:33 |
Elizabeth already in Guisborough in 1881 1881 England Census about Elizabeth Cole Name: Elizabeth Cole Age: 6 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Arther Mother's Name: Charlott Gender: Female Where born: Mattishall, Norfolk, England Civil Parish: Skelton in Guisbrough County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: No 42 Harker St Education:
Employment status: View Image Occupation: Scholar Registration district: Guisborough Sub-registration district: Marske ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Arther Cole 29 Arthur Cole 1 Charles Cole 5 Charlott Cole 27 Elizabeth Cole 6 John R. Cole 3 View Original Record
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Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 4841; Folio: 145; Page: 30; Line: ; GSU roll: 1342166.
1891 England Census about Elizabeth Cole Name: Elizabeth Cole Age: 16 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Arther Mother's Name: Charlot Gender: Female Where born: Mattishall, Norfolk, England Civil Parish: Skelton Ecclesiastical parish: Skelton All Saints Town: Skelton County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: Guisborough Sub-registration district: Marske ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Arther Cole 37 Charlot Cole 36 Elizabeth Cole 16 View Original Record
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Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4000; Folio 46; Page 44; GSU roll: 6099110.
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Selena in South East London
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18 Nov 2007 21:47 |
Seems right
Marriages Jun 1893 Bennett Margaret Guisbro' 9d 719 Cole Elizabeth Guisbro' 9d 719 Cole George Albert Guisbro' 9d 719 Nicholas Alfred Guisbro' 9d 719
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20 Nov 2007 02:29 |
Hi Selena and Jim,
I am so sorry for not coming back to you before now but this really is the first chance I've had. Thank you both so much for the work you've done so far.
Right! back to it. Yes Jim, George Albert really did marry Elizabeth Cole. She was his first cousin. Both George and Elizabeths' families moved to North Yorkshire and as you can see Elizabeth appears with her parents on the 1891 census but there's no sign of George Albert. On their marriage certificate from 1893 his address is just given as Boosbeck. The couple then settled in Skelton. It's a mystery to me where he was when the 1881 and 1891 censuses were taken though.Your thoughts would be much appreciated.
Caz
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20 Nov 2007 02:35 |
Yes Jim that really did say Christmas Cole on the 1881 census. He was born on, you guest it....... christmas day. Original eh? lol.
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