Genealogy Chat

Yes Id have thought all those bits of info would point to John being Irish.

That's interesting. The William I have down as first born is a William Patrick. Sounds like it could well be them don't you think?

This could be them on 1891 census


Name: John W Martin
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah A
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil Parish: Brighton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Nicholas
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Brighton
Sub-registration district: St Peter
ED, institution, or vessel: 46
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John W Martin 33
Patrick W Martin 1
Sarah A Martin 23

They were married in Ireland of all places. Can you believe that?!!! it doesn't help me does it?

The child was born Mildred Agnes Martin. She was not illigitimate and Sarah died a Martin as it states that on her headstone.

Have you got the marriage cert for Sarah and John?

If not, it would be worthwhile getting it. The cert would tell you John's age and occupation, and the name and occupation of his father.

Reg

The fact that another child was born in 1903 does not actually prove that Sarah was not widowed..........

Reg

That is her full Maiden name. She had no middle name given to her. Her mother was born Sarah Ann Mockford. The reason why I want to see the census is to confirm where John Martin was born and his correst birth year.

There was another sibling born in 1903 so Sarah wouldn't have been widowed.

The dates of their births - the parents, particularly dad is quite mature for a first marriage?

Do you have any of the kids birth cert? If so that will give mothers full maiden name and you can then find the marriage. I think may be someones memory could be misleading you.

Found these...........1901

Irene could be Mary G I
Rose could be Rhoda
Mattie could be Mabel

Clutching at Straws!!!!

Name: Sarah A Martin
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: Preston; Brighton

Civil Parish: Hove
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England



Registration district: Steyning
Sub-registration district: Shoreham
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 11
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur L Jordon 34
Frederick Martin 5
Irene Martin 2
Mattie Martin 7
Rose Martin 9
Sarah A Martin 32

In the right district to fit with Josephine's birth reg'n....................

Reg

I looked at that one too. Too many names not right. thank you anyway.

Could these possibly be them? Sarah is a widow in 1901.


Name: Mattie Martin
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Sarah A
Gender: Female
Where born: Preston; Brighton

Civil Parish: Hove
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Steyning
Sub-registration district: Shoreham
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 11
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur L Jordon 34
Frederick Martin 5
Irene Martin 2
Mattie Martin 7
Rose Martin 9
Sarah A Martin 32

My grandmother gave me the names. They would be her aunts and uncles.

Yes Reg. That was what I thought. That still leaves 5 siblings together. It's giving me a big headache. Are the census records complete? Would it be worth going to Hove library to look?

You must have them somewhere to give the names and dates/places? Can you tell us exactly what you have got please?

He died in about 1911. Not too sure of his occupation.

If this is Josephine's birth, she was indeed born after the census date

Name: Josephine Martin
Year of Registration: 1901
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Steyning
County: Sussex
Volume: 2b
Page: 265

Reg

That's just it. I haven't been able to find them at all. I've tried putting in John first and then Sarah but can't find them!!

Yes you are correct. First two born in Brighton and the rest born in Hove. The mother Sarah A Martin was born in Rottingdean Brighton if that helps anyone. Sorry, I should have put that on in the first place!!! Thank you anyway Reg