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William was born in Long Crendon and so was the mother and some siblings of Shadrach and Meshec around those years.
I have both William in 1881 and Shadrach in 1881 at separate addresses so they can't be the same person.
I haven't seen any original records, I've only looked on Ancestry and IGI. I did look at the local area RO about 18 months back when the man there helped look for me, but I was only looking for William in Long Crendon and had less detail at the time.
I haven't abandoned the Aylesbury refs but the man at the RO told me Long Crendon was registered in Thame district. I'll try to check them out as you suggested.
I'm really grateful for all the help. I hope I'm not just clutching at straws.
Mumsy.
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Mumsy,
Didn't you say in your original post that Meschech and Shadrach appear separately on the 1881? That seems to conflict with your last posting.
It would be rather odd for the same person to be known by these two names; it would be like someone being known as both Cain and Abel.
Have you had any joy with the parish register of Long Crendon? Surely that would solve it?
Peter
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Mumsy,
Just a few more points. William's father is given as James Small. There are not all that many Small families in Bucks in 1851 and 1861. There are just two James Small families raising children in the 1840s. Meshach's father (James)' family are in Cuddington in 1851 (Aylesbury district), but only the youngest was born there - the rest were born in Crendon (Thame district). All are registered, as are the other Thame family of Smalls (parents William and Harriet). These two families account for all the births registered in the Thame district from Free BMD.
Christine has found only William and Harriet baptising their children. Since James and Mary did not, they may have beeen non-conformist? There was a stronger use of biblical names by the non-conformists.
There are several more Small families in the Aylesbury area (74 individuals in 1851), and both the above families have moved there by 1851, so that there are only 4 Smalls in the Thame area. Since your William lays claim to James and Crendon, then your theory looks pretty solid.
(How about if we only have one child? Shadrach and William are in different enumeration districts in Isleworth, and there were no family witnesses to the wedding) - no no no, I'm sorry, your very first posting said that Shadrack is on the 1891 census near William's widow! - I like Judth's theory too (5.09.07)
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1851 james and Mary in Cuddington have children Martha 7
Joseph 5
Mesech 3
Sarah 1
1861 James and Mary, now in Nether Winchendon have
Meshech 13
Thomas 9
Mary Ann 6
Emma 4
Ellen 2
Eliza under 1
Martha 16 was living in as a servant in Beds,
Joseph 14 a lodger in Aylesbury
1871
At home with James and Mary:
Shadrach 24
Thomas 20
Emma 14
Ellen 12
Eliza 10
Kate 5
William 23, born Long Crendon was in Isleworth
1881
Mary, widowed has 4 daughters at home in Nether Winchendon
No Joseph Small of the right age to be found.
William 34 and Shadrach 32 both living in Isleworth
My theory (similar to yours) is that there were three sons of James and Mary -
Joseph aka Shadrach
William aka Meshech
Thomas (wonder whether he was ever known as Abednigo?!)
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Sorry Peter, It's William and Shadrach who appear separately on 1881.
I shall have to either go back to Aylesbury RO or find someone to look up the Long Crendon register. If anyone is able to do that for me - I'd be eternally grateful.
Ivy, I found some baptisms at Lower Winchendon in 1880 for some of James and Mary's children on the IGI - obviously done late.
Judith, thanks for putting it into some sort of order, it helps me clarify things a bit better. I like your theory.
I'm wondering now if the following ideas would be useful to follow up:
to see if James might have been witness at Shadrack's wedding, will need to investigate.
to see if Shadrach might possibly be informant on William's wife, Anna's, death if they lived nearby, that would help, again I need to investigate.
I'm also wondering if any of the other children of James and Mary ended up in the Isleworth area?
Mumsy.
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