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Have just recives my ggrandfathers marriage certificate. John Bright marrying Elizabeth Williams 22 Nov 1873, Llanhilleth Parish Church, Monmouthshire, Wales. The only address for residence is Llanhilleth. Problem is fathers name given as William Edwards, she is listed as Spinster andjohn Bright as Bachelor. How do I sort through all the Williams or Edwards born circa 1852 in Pontypool Monmouthshire to make an educated guess at the right one to get her birth certificate. Frank

Point one.............birth registration wasn't compulsory until 1875, so the birth may not have been registered. Point two.........when ordering certs, you have the option of specifying 'checking points'......the father's name could be used for that purpose. Have you located the couple on censuses prior to their marriage? If so, the mother's forename would also be a potential 'checking point'. Is the bride's age specified as 21? Or merely as 'full'? Do the names of the witnesses hold any clues? Reg

Does the certificate give her fathers occupation?

Hi Mower man , You don't need me to tell you have a task there. Like me with Emily williams and Benjamin Williams. And my Evans family of LLanhilleth too they are a nightmare. Do you have your Elizabeth on any census at all? If so can you give the particular on here please. So that i can try to help you. How old was she on certificate ? It is possible for a mistake to be made and she might have been married before. What is her fathers occupation? What is her husbands occupation ? Where were they all born and when? Also when its been narrowed down by using census ect. then you look who's died . When you have the least number possible you send of to gro with ref number and ask them to check certain things and add the numbers of the other elizabeths too. It will cost the money for certificate which is £7 plus £ 3 for each one checked I await your information. Best wishes Lorraine

Could you post 1881 census for ref, please........... Reg

1881 census here she is married with children Name: Elizabeth Bright Age: 27 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: John Gender: Female Where born: Blaenavon, Monmouth, Wales Civil Parish: Trevethin County/Island: Monmouthshire Country: Wales Street address: 4 John Rosser Owner Condition as to marriage: Married Education: View Image Employment status: View Image Registration district: Pontypool Sub-registration district: Pontypool ED, institution, or vessel: 18 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Ada Bright Elizabeth Bright 27 John Bright 28 John Bright 3 Mary A. Bright 7

1891????? Name: Elizabeth Bright Age: 36 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: John Gender: Female Where born: Monmouthshire, Wales Civil Parish: Trevethin Ecclesiastical parish: Abersychan Town: Garndiffaith County/Island: Monmouthshire Country: Wales Registration district: Pontypool Sub-registration district: Pontypool ED, institution, or vessel: 20 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Ada Bright 10 Elizabeth Bright 36 Elizabeth Bright 7 John Bright 38 John Bright 12 Rachel Bright 2 Samuel Bright 5 Reg

Thanks all for your response Firstly that is the couple on the 18881 and 1891 census. The occupation of both John Bright and William Edwards is Collier. Ages just give as: of full age As far as I know they were all born in or around the Pontypol area in or around 1853c Have been unable to trace John Bright exact birth as there is no record for him in the GRO records or at the local Torffaen local registry office. Thanks Frank

Is this your John before he got married ? With his parents siblings and grandparents.1871 Name: John Bright Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853 Relation: Son Mother's Name: Harriett Gender: Male Where born: Monmouthshire, Wales Civil Parish: Trevethin Ecclesiastical parish: Abersychan County/Island: Monmouthshire Country: Wales Street address: Occupation: collier Registration district: Pontypool Sub-registration district: Pontypool ED, institution, or vessel: 22 Neighbors:Household schedule number: 124 Household Members: Name Age Edder Bright 3 Ellen Bright 16 Hannah Bright 11 Harriett Bright 39 John Bright 18 Pricilla Bright 15 Samuel Bright 43 Samuel Bright 13 Sarah Worlock 59 William Worlock 63 Just trying to build a picture .

Frank Who were the witnesses? Reg

From the LDS site...........have you been in touch with the submitter? John Bright Compact Disc #116 Pin #587834 Pedigree Sex: M Event(s) Birth: 1853 Trevethin,Mon,England Marriage(s) Spouse: Elizabeth Williams Disc #116 Pin #587835 Marriage: 22 Nov 1873 Parish Church,Llanhilleth.Mon Submitter Joyce MORGAN 59 John Street Bargoed Mid Glamorgan Cf81 8PH Submission Search: 2684620-0617105152135 URL: CD-ROM: Pedigree Resource File - Compact Disc #116 CD-ROM Features: Pedigree View, Family View, Individual View, Reports, Downloadable GEDCOM files, Notes and Sources. Order Pedigree Resource File CD-ROMS Reg

Lorraine, Yes, that them his mothers name was Harriet Hawkins father Samuel Bright, not sure of theeWorlock connection not come acrossit before. Reg, Witness at marriage were: William Edwards and Mary Harvey. Not sure if this helps but John and Elizabeth had a son called John who went to America in 1912 and came back around the start of the second world war, he either used the name of Edwards or lived with a family called Edwards Frank

Reg, Yes, contacted Joyce the submitter some weeks ago,it is her husbands side of the family and her brother in law who lives in New Zealand gave her the details. Will send message to try and seeif she can find out where he got them from. Frank