Genealogy Chat

I can't seem to find any record of my grandmother's 2 marriages.the first was to cameron keith I dont know the date but my mum was born in 1929,which will hopefully be after the wedding,the second was as a widow to horace chapple again I dont know the date but cameron died in 1935.Anyone got any ideas please.Also why is it that I dont seem to be able to find marriages for my other grandmother Mary Inns to Philip James either.Did they not keep good records or could they have been lost.OR did they just not get married at all.many thanks for any help.

Where are they likely to have married and where have you looked so far? I think you have those dates wrong somewhere - the hubby would have died when she was only 6 years old!

Heather, The 1929 birth is her mum not her gran. Janice

Yes the birth is my mum.yes her dad did die when she was only 5 or 6 . He was a lot older than her mum.The marriage would have been in the london area .He lived at islington,Woolwich,Westham,Leyton ,Raynes park and Wimbledon .She lived at Wimbledon with the second husband.If you need anymore info I will rack my brains but I think thats it.I have looked on FreeBMD and Ancestry.The other marriage would have been in the Wimbledon Surrey area too.

Lesley, Were there any children from the 2nd marriage? If so, when was the first one born? Janice

No,no children.My mother was an only child.On another subject,I have just found on Ancestry that Cameron had an army record .Where would I look for discharge papers if I have found inlistment papers on ansestry for 1887 1900 and 1914 in the pensions bit.

When was the first child born to Philip and Mary James? And where? Reg

Cameron Keith's death was registered in Surrey NE in JAS 1935....his age was recorded as being 67. Looks like he was married previously.........1901 census Name: Cameron Keith Age: 33 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Emily Gender: Male Where born: Woolwich, Kent, England Civil Parish: Leyton Ecclesiastical parish: Leytonstone St Margaret County/Island: Essex Country: England Registration district: West Ham Sub-registration district: South Leyton ED, institution, or vessel: 31 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 235 Household Members: Name Age Ada Keith 4 Annie Keith 1 Cameron Keith 33 Emily Keith 35 Rhoda Keith 3 His birth reg'n? Name: Cameron Keith Year of Registration: 1868 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Greenwich County: Greater London, Kent, London Volume: 1d Page: 871 1871 census Name: Cameron Keith Age: 3 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868 Relation: Son Father's Name: Donald I Mother's Name: Hannah Gender: Male Where born: Woolwich, Kent, England Civil Parish: Plumstead Ecclesiastical parish: St Margaret County/Island: Kent Country: England Registration district: Woolwich Sub-registration district: Plumstead, West ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 176 Household Members: Name Age Cameron Keith 3 Donald I Keith 26 Duncan I Keith 10 Fanny M Keith 6 Gertrude Keith 1 Hannah Keith 36 His first marriage........... Cameron Keith 1896 Apr-May-Jun St George Hanover Square London, Middlesex Emily Ann Parish 1896 Apr-May-Jun St George Hanover Square London, Middlesex Reg

The discharge papers are included among the docs on Ancestry. Discharge date 2/11/1914. Names of 6 children are listed........... Reg

Thanks Reg.Most of that I did know about cameron.I wanted to see when he was discharged from the army as his daughter from his first marriage Ada said he was slung out as he would'nt do as he was told. The first child of Mary and Philip was Phyllis 19/11/1921.Then Hazel ? then my dad Philip Lesley John 1925 and Rosina 1930.

According to the records on Ancestry, he joined up in Sept 1914, and was discharged on 2/11. Described as 'Unlikely to make an efficient soldier'. There are three separate batches of docs about him........... Reg

Hi Reg where on ancestry did you find that I'm looking all over the place and I can't see it.

Haev you looked for the death of his first wife? If she didn't actually die, he would not have been free to re-marry......... Reg

Lesley, It's on WW1 pensions. Janice

On the WW1 pensions.........you have to click on the image and scroll through the pages, one by one. Reg

Thats wher I found the three dates that he went in the army.I put in cameron Keith and he was the 1st three on the list. I have scrolled through the pages and I cant see where it says any more .Am I being really thick. My mum says that 1st wife must have died as his daughters by 1st marriage would'nt have stood for it otherwise.They already didn't like it as the new wife ( Muriel ) was younger than them .

Have you read all 21 pages? janice

Here's something else to get you teeth into. I was just chatting to my mum on the phone , telling her that Ada was right he did get slung out but that he had been in 3 times.I asked her to look at her birth certif as she said that she thinks muriel may have already been pregnant when they married,She said it was wierd as she was told she was born in a nursing home and we know they didn't have money.So I said to her prehaps it was an unmarried mothers home.Anyway she goes and finds the birth certif and she says its only a small square piece of paper certifing the birth but no parents names on it. I have looked on ancestry and I cant find my mum at all . I said if I could find her proper certif I would order it for her but nothing !. She was born Yvonne Muriel Keith on 14 th September 1929.Her piece of paper has the no's on 104 p 5.spooky.

Philip L James m Mary Inns Jun qtr 1921 Kingston 2a 1058

Birth Yvonne M Keith mmn Nicholas Dec qtr 1929 Kingston 2a 678