Genealogy Chat

Maggy You and me both.........you wouldnt believe the headache this has given me, lol. Yvette

Well that's me totally confused!! Maggy, West Yorkshire

Tracey.........what can i say, these are the esy side of the tree!!!!! wait til i start on my grandmothers side, lol. 3 sisters married 3 brothers....its a bit odd really, mind you it explains the later editions in the line if its true, lol. Can you check on your records whether Alice, Emma and Eliza Streeter all had the same father? If only i could find a birth for William or Eliza(beth) Elliff i would know if they were brother and sister to John, i am wondering though if maybe they were cousins, and its the Streeter girls who were all the same family? I guess on the bright side if they are all from the same 2 sets of parents it will save time filling in the family tree!!! lolol. By the way your VRI, is it a later version than the 1998? as i had a lookup done on that some time ago and was told nothing came up. If so was it very expensive ? Sorry for all the questions! Regards Yvette

Hi Yvette, What a family you have here! They don't like to do things by half do they! I think your witness is probably his sister? Elizabeth Elliff. She did marry a Stephen Killick on 25 Dec 1878 at St John the Baptist , her father John, his father Richard. She was 21 and he was 22. But- to confuse things further more, Edward Elliff (we think William's brother) also married a Streeter by the name of Eliza on 25 Dec 1872 so she also could have been the witness. They seem to like to keep it in the family don't they, with a lot of christmas day weddings! I'll keep looking further for you. By the way i'm getting this info from the VRI. Tracey, Bolton

Hi Tracey Yes my William is the one married to Alice Streeter, where did you find all the info on them as i only found out the wedding date and fathers names today when i got a copy of their wedding certificate? I had noticed a possible link with Emma Streeter, but wasnt 100% sure on it, and as for John Elliff and Sarah Adams, yes i am aware of them as i found them on the LDS site 18 months ago when i started looking into the Elliff name. I know they had 4 children, Job, Ann, John and Edward, but was hoping that William was a son also , just not registered on the LDS site, as he is only 3 years younger than Edward. As i cant find a birth record for William i am struggling to prove the link just now, and would be really grateful for anything you could find that will show either way. One thing i noticed on the wedding certificate was a witness called Eliza Elliff, not sure where she comes from, any ideas? Also any other dates of birth/death /marriages for any of teh above names would be welcome. Thanks Very much for all your help so far. Yvette by the way, i have a possible family link that may answer the Eliza Elliff witness......peny just dropped. In 1881 John Elliff was head of house at Dickinson Lane, Croydon, aged 74, Widowed, living with son in law Stephen Killick, daughter Elizabeth Killick and grandsons Albert and Arthur...........what do you think?

Hi Yvette, Just to confuse things further - if your William and John were brothers (and it seems they both have the same father being John) they also married sisters! I've found a John Elliff married to an Emma Streeter on the 1 July 1878 in Croydon, St John the Baptist. Fathers are same as before. John was 32 at time of marriage and Emma was 30. Hope some of this is of use to you!! Tracey, Bolton Tell me to shut up if i'm rambling but, - I've also found a marriage for a John Elliff on 29 Nov 1841 in Croydon, St John the Baptist to a Sarah Adams. I don't know if these are your Williams parents but John's father was actually called William too and Sarah's was called Job

Hi Yvette, Was your William married to a lady called Alice Streeter? I've found a William and Alice married 25 Dec 1876 in Croydon, Surrey. If they are yours, William's father was John Elliff and Alice's father was William Streeter. William was 24 at time of marriage and Alice was 22. It was at St John the Baptist. Still not been able to find a birth for him though! Good luck. Tracey, Bolton

Mary Thanks for your help, i will have a good look at the Croydon site. I am sure that the William Robert Elliffe you found is not my man, as i have followed his family through but thanks anyway. As for the William and Alice on the 1881, yes thats my family and the william i am trying to find a birth for. I will keep digging. Tony Thanks for your reply also, I had seen a baptism for William and Sarah on the LDS site but wasnt aware of the dates of birth so thanks for that, it may be my William as the one i am looking into was born 1853, so its close, and had a father John, which also fits, trouble is i cant work out why it would be this one for other reasons. In 1881 and 1891 my William shared the same house as a John Elliff and their respective families. John was 6 years older than William and had a father JOhn....but his mother was Sarah. I am trying to find if John and William are brothers, but getting nowhere fast. Just more questions. Will look into the William you found for me anyway, just in case. Thanks again Yvette

Hi Yvette,The baptism records for St Mathew have a William Robert Elliff and a Sarah Elliff both on 7 Feb 1852,his date of birth is given as 14 Dec 1851 and hers as 18 October 1849.Parents are down as John and Mary Elliff.Hope this is of use to you,Regards Tony.

Hi Yvette, There are many more churches in Croydon, suggest you look up www.croydonweb.com/links/churches.html. St. John the Baptist is the parish church. I would suggest that you have another look. I have found a William Robert Eliffe in the I.G.I b.14.12.1851 and baptised 7.3.1852 at St. John the Baptist. There are so many different spellings of this name so bearing this in mind, go back and try again for his birth certificate, covering the last quarter of 1851 and the whole of 1852. Happy hunting. Mary Beckett There is also a William Elliff in the 1881 Census at Cobden Rd, 3 Holmview with wife Alice and daughter Annie. RG11 Piece/Folio 0819/52. Page 33 The full web page for the Croydon Churches does not show, so I will print it again. www.croydonweb.com/links/churches.html I am sorry but it seems that they will not let me give you the full web page. Perhaps someone could explain why.

Hi Max Thanks for the reply, but its ok i am not disappointed by your answer, i am not too worried about finding his mothers maiden name, just her christian name, and of course the dates of birth and address. Its a bit of a long winded story, as genealogy ones often are lol, i think i know who his parents might be, but as i cannot find a record of Williams birth anywhere i am only guessing at this point and getting SO desperate to know one way or the other as if i am correct i have a whole load of relatives to link him to. Anyway, back to headbutting my brickwall for now.......... Yvette

Many thanks to Tracey and Tony for their help so far on this string. I am still trying to find a record of the Birth of William Elliff for 1853, there seems to be nothing in the parish records at either St John the Baptist or St Mathews, has anyone any other ideas of parishes in Croydon i can look into. I know Williams father was John from his wedding certificate (1876), and can find William and his family in the 1881 thru to 1901 census, i can't find him on FreeBMD so have no idea of mothers first name, maiden name, or his date of birth. Also i believe he had a sister Elizabeth who married a Stephen Killick by the time of the 1881, and would like to know more about her. All ideas very welcome, no matter how small. Yvette