Genealogy Chat

Hi Yvette, Well done! At least you've got one result. I've had a look on BMD and i can only see one William Elliff in Croydon around the right time. He was born Sept Qtr 1852, Croydon, 2A 125. Did you look a couple of years either side for Eliza? Sometimes the dates on LDS can be a few years out. Don't worry she'll turn up somewhere!! Tracey There is an Eliza Streeter on BMD Dec Qtr 1852, born Croydon vol 2a but the page number was illegible (there was just an asterisk) Tracey

Tracey Been to the Library today and searched St Catherines Index.........Oh boy what fun i had. The good news I found Alice Streeter, June quarter 1855 Vol 2a P138, guess thats a certificate to order now, lol. The bad news, I couldnt find Eliza Streeter when i had a look to try and confirm the details i had already been given for her. Despite lots of very careful looking she isnt anywhere on the Dec 1852 or anything either side. What do i do about that? The not so sure news, or should that be, this could get expensive news..... I found 3 new possibles for my William Elliff. All for 1852, unfortunately 1 was totally illegible for the district, 1 looks like being in Spilsby, again wrong district unless he is no relation to John and Edward Elliff, and the other one had an very hard to read page number. I am still having trouble getting into FreeBMD today so will have to wait til later to try and find out more on these. Regards Yvette

Hi Yvette, Your not being a pest at all, thats what we're all here for to help each other! I'm sorry though i've not found any births for the Streeter girls. The births seem to jump from 1831 to 1860 and i think all the girls fall in between these dates. I will keep a look out though! Have you tried 1837 online yet? Or maybe nip to the library and look through St Catherines index, you know rough dates for them all (and its cheaper). Don't give up, we'll get you there in the end!! Tracey

Tracey, Did you find anything on you VRI for the births of the Streeter girls? Just wondered as i have been looking into them all day with little luck. I have found, along with some help, entries on freebmd for Emma and Eliza, but as the only one i am 100% sure of blood ties with is Alice i am trying to sort her first, just in case she isnt sister to the other Streeter girls........advice from fellow member of GC. Sorry if i am being a pest, Regards Yvette

Thanks for that Tracey. John and Emma had 4 children that i know of, John, Edith, Brtha and Arthur, also known as George. I think Edith must have died young as there is no reference to her after the 1881 census. Also the fact that John and Emma lived with William and Alice for over 10 years and they had a daughter Edith in 1894. (I wouldnt have though they would have had 2 Ediths in the same house at the same time) William and Alice had 7 children in all, Annie, Alfred, Frederick, Arthur,Frank-also known as Ernest, Edith and Thomas. Just a small note, by the 1901 they also had a granddaughter Margaret living with them, no idea which of the children were the natural parent though. Family lore has it that Annie never had any children, nor did she marry, so it could only have been Alfred or Frederick at a guess as the others were all too young at the time. I hope to clear that one up at some point. What a family eh! Best wishes Yvette

Yvette, The details i've found are:- Edith Elliff, Christened 6/6/1880, Bertha Elliff, christened 6/1/1884. parents are John and Emma Elliff. Alfred Elliff, christened 3/7/1881, Frederick Elliff christened 5/7/1885, parents are William and Alice. All of the kids were christened at Woodside, St Lukes and the FHL film number is 1067533. Tracey.

Tracey Does that mean you hacve found details of William and Alices children? Although i have names and ages from census returns i would be grateful for anything you have found. Thanks for the fact you are still looking, i am very grateful for everything you have done so far. Best wishes Yvette

Yvette, You could try Woodside, St Luke as thats where William and Alice's children were christened, might be worth a try. I'm still searching for your William and Elizabeth!! Tracey

nudging this up due to update on initial message Yvette

Thanks for that George i will live in hope that i find such an entry at some point, surely somewhere along the line one of my Elliff ancestors will make it easy for me........... Regards Yvette

When I was visiting Alston,CUL over the summer. I visited a Historical Archives within the townhall and they had some baptism records which unusually were recorded like: Thomas Williams, 1st son of Charles & Mary (dau of Alfred Harrington). I was astounded when I saw them as I had never seen that type before, they solved a few little queries for me. All I'm saying is some parish records do give the maiden name but it is rare. George

Tony, Thanks for clearing that one up. If you find a reference to Elizabeth Elliff with father John i am trying to find who her mother was........ John and Sarah(nee Adams) also had a daughter Ann around 1844........ I too thought that William ,Job, John etc might be cousins, til it was pointed out to me that it is highly unlikely that there would be 2 brothers called John alive at the same time and raising a family. Only leaves the possibility that the two elder Johns were cousins.........and that their children grew up together, so much so that William and his family lived with John and his family at 2 different address' over the years, helped by the fact their wives were sisters. And to think i thought my immediate family were a handful!!! Regards Yvette

Hi Yvette,Apologies,got your rellies mixed up,there are three families,cousins I'd guess,yours is John and Mary they have Sarah Anne born 18-10-1849 bap 7-3-1852,William Robert,born14-12-1851,bap7-3-1852.Then we come to the other John and Sarah,they have Job, bap 25-9-1842,John bap 2-5-1847 and Edward 29-12-1850.Then we come to George Elliff and Mary,they have Mary bap8-8-1847 and Charlotte bap 23-7-1854. Just to add to your confusion here's a couple of earlier marriages,William Elliff to Elizabeth Hollamby on 29-4-1805 and James Elliff to Martha Scriven on 4-10-1808.They had Ann born 15-6-1809,bap 15-7-1809 also found rebecca bap 28-7-1817 but no parents shown! These are all at St John the Baptist,Croydon.Have fun with this lot,Regards,Tony.

Ok slight hiccup with Mary and Charlotte, having looked them up on the LDS site i have found christening details at St John the Baptist, with the same dates as given by Tony, but it show parents as George and Mary Elliff. Which one do i take as correct? Yvette

Tony.....just noticed Mary and John were baptised 3 months apart, i assume if they were twins they would have been baptised together, is it more likely that Mary is older but not baptised until a later date for some reason? As i know for sure John was born and bapstised in 1847. Regards Yvette

Tony Thats great news, i was aware of Job, Edward and John, but Mary and Charlotte are news to me, and makes it even more likely that William and Elizabeth are related as the dates all work. If you find anything else on the Elliff saga i would be most grateful, no matter how small. Regards Yvette

Hello again,Also found at St Mathew bap's Edward elliff 29 12 1850,Mary 8 8 1847,Job25 9 1842, John 2 5 1847,Charlotte 23 7 1854, all with parents John and Sarah.Regards,Tony.

Morning Tracey Well it is certainly a talking point, 3 sisters married to 3 brothers, my husband asded if we can find 4 more so we can have our own version of 7brides for 7 brothers, lol. I see your point about the cousins thing. Obvious really but you cant always see things when you are in the middle of it. I guess i was just trying to find another explanation before i got too carried away with William being the son of John and Sarah as its what i have been hoping for. The VRI sounds like a good idea, talking nicely to husband now for Christmas......... I guess i will have to order the death certificate for John, not sure if it will tell me anything to clear things up any more, but worth a look at least. Thanks again for all your help. Best Wishes Yvette By the way , i am aware of all John and Emma and William and Alices children, from several references, Williams daughter Edith was my g grandmother, she died in 1984 and although i never met her, she was a very real part of my family identity, hence the desperation to find all i can on her family.

Yvette, According to the marriage records, all three Streeter girls had the same father - William. All the Elliff boys had the same father - John, even Elizabeth's father was John. It's tricky but if William and Eliza were cousins to John & co what would be the chances of both their fathers being called John (as their fathers would have to be brothers wouldn't they?). I can't find any births for the Elliffs - only a couple for William and John's kids which i think you already know about from the census. There are no death records on the VRI, only birth and marriage. The one i've got is the second edition, the later one, and i got it from LDS for £22.95. Its good value for money! Tracey.

Tracey I think i have found a death reference for John Elliff senior. Could you please check it for me on your VRI to see what other details (if any) you can find? John Elliff Died December quarter of 1888, aged 82, District Croydon, Volume 2a P122. Thankyou Yvette