Genealogy Chat

Hi all, I'm not sure where to go from here and am hoping for some advice. I have about four BARBER ancestors that emigrated to America from either Wales or Liverpool from 1892 till about 1920 at the latest. I have tried the Ellis Island site but they are coming up with nothing relevant.Is there another site that will have details of incoming migrants to other ports in the USA? I would be very grateful for any assistance, Sinead

Hi Sinead, I've got a subscription to ancestry.com which includes the census info. up to 1930. If you have some names I'll have a look on there for you. Emma.

Hi Sinead, I found the following when looking for 'The Maitland'. It has lists of passengers. www.immigrantships.net - hope it helps. Linda.

Hi all, Thanks very much will try the web site and at some stage have to go to Caernarvon for a military museum so may well take in Liverpool when I'm there.Thank you Lucy, details are:- Samuel Barber born 1873 Bristol Joseph Barber born 1880 Bristol John Barber born 1887 Bristol Florence Barber born 1892 Rhondda William Henry Barber born 1895 Rhondda I think they settled in Pennsylvania but this is just a guess- I do know they went there to mine coal. Many thanks Lucy- it is much appreciated. Sinead

Hi Lucy I hope you do not thick i am cheeky but i am also looking for passengers from and to liverpool. Around the 1850's Frederick Francis Fleming left liverpool, also, known as francis fleming. Before 1880 he was back in liverpool. He had a daughter born in new orleans helena fleming and she also returned to liverpool. If you get chance sometime could you please see if they are listed. Thank you Roseanne

Sinead and Roseanne, It might be tomorrow before I get any results. I don't know if it's because ancestry have changed the format of their site and the world and their dog are trying to access it, but it is incredibly slow tonight. I'll keep trying for a while and if I can't get a result I'll have a go tomorrow. Emma

Thanks Lucy, I'm signing off for the night now anyway- my washing machine has packed up and have to wash my ywo boys uniform in the sink-perfect end to a day not !!! Sinead

Thank you Emma Roseanne

Sinead, I'll check firstly on the 1920 census for yours. In 1920 there is only one Samuel Barber of approx. the right year of birth. Name: Barber, Samuel Relation: Head Owned or Rented Property: Rented Sex: Male Age: 47 Marital Status: Married Able to Read: yes Able to Write: yes Place of birth: England Mother tongue: English Father's place of birth: England Father's mother tongue: English Mother's place of birth: England Mother's mother tongue: English Occupation: labourer Industry: Street Name: Barber, Viola Relation: wife Sex: female Age: 38 Marital Status: married Able to read: yes Able to write: yes Place of birth: New Jersey Father's place of birth: New Jersey Mother's place of birth: New Jersey Occupation: None Roll: T625_1118, page 6B, Ed58, img 0648 Dansville Village, Livingstone, New York 1920 census.

Sinead, Joseph Barber head male 38 widow read - yes write - yes country of birth - England mother tongue - English Father's country of birth - England Father's mother tongue - English Mother's country of birth - England Mother's mother tongue - English occupation - miner industry - coalmine Thomas Barber, son, 14, sing, born Canada Daisy Barber, daur, 13, sing, born Canada William Barber, son, 12, sing, born Pensylvannia Colin? Barber, son, 11, sing, born Pensylvannia Edward Barber, son, 6, born Pensylvannia All the children state their Mother as born in England. There's also another female person with them whose relationship looks like housekeeper but it's very blurred and I can't quite make out the name. Roll T6_1534, page 3A, ED18, img 0211 Lansford, Carbon, Pensylvannia 1920 census

Sinead, John Barber Head 30 married Naturalised: 1908 Read - yes Write - yes Country of birth: England Mother tongue: English Father's country of birth: England Father's tongue: English Mother's country of birth: England Mother's mother tongue: English Occupation: waiter Industry: hotel Angeline Barber wife 25 married Can read: yes Can write: yes Country of birth: Poland Mother tongue: Polish Father's country of birth: Poland Father's mother tongue: Polish Mother's country of birth: Poland Mother's mother tongue: Polish Occupation: None Martha Barber daughter 2 born - Pensylvannia Alfred John Barber son 1 & 4/12 born - Pensylvannia (both children's mother born Poland) Calcutt? Aubrey, boarder, married, 27, born England, waiter, hotel Roll T625_1099, page 10B, ED25, Img 0810 Buffalo City, Erie, New York 1920 census

Sinead, No sign of Florence and William on the 1920 census. Obviously Florence may be married and have a different surname but there's definitely no William born Wales. I'll check the 1930 census next for them. Let me know if you want me to check the earlier census records for the Barber's I've already found. Emma.

Roseanne, I've had a look for Frederick and Helena, unfortunately the 1860 and 1870 census are only partially indexed and I haven't been able to find them. Do you have a year of birth for Helena and did she come back to England at the same time as Frederick? Emma.

Hi Emma, Many thanks for the info- this seems to be them. I found William on a ship transcript for Ellis island but his name was crossed out so possibly he died.As for Florence without her marriage details which I cannot locate in the UK it will be awkward to trace her. If possible could you check an earlier census for Joseph Barber to see if his wife's name can be had? Many thanks,Sinead

Hi Emma Helena Fleming Frederick/francis's daughter was born in the usa in 1865 I have new york on one census and new orleans on another. Frederick/francis fleming was born around 1840 in scotland - i am led to believe. By 1881 the family had returned to liverpool. I can only guess that they came back together. Helena's mother was called Ellen maiden name hammond. Thank you Roseanne

Hi Roseanne, I'm sorry I've had another look and still can't find anything for either Frederick/Francis or Helena. Emma.

Thank you Emma for your time Roseanne

Sorry Sinead, The 1910 and 1900 census aren't indexed either! It would mean trawling through hundreds of pages to find him. I'll have a look through the site and see what other records they have incase there's something else that can help. Emma.

hi Emma, Many thanks- the info is tremendous and gives me a whole new scope.I am most grateful, Sinead