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The 1911 said that one child had died, so this one?

KELLER ISABELLA age 0 in 1909
644/15 169 at Hutchesontown

And Helen looks like Elleanor from that death you found.

This looks like Isabella coming back to Scotland from USA with Rudolf

Isabella Keller
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 12 Jul 1908
Port of Arrival: Glasgow, Scotland
Ship Name: Columbia
Shipping line: Anchor Line
Official Number: 115682

She is with 'Randolph' Keller, a carpenter, both are American citizens.

There are then 3 children below them in the passenger list, females age between 1 and 12, namely Mary, Elleanor and Isabel Towset (??).

Possibly Helen's death ??

KELLER
ELLEANOR ERNEST[INE ?]
89
1995
601/ 393
Glasgow, Martha St


Birth of brother George:

KELLER
GEORGE RUDOLPH
M
1910
644/8 95
St Rollox

If this is Isabella's death, she was born in 1868 to 1869

KELLER ISABELLA age 69 died in 1938
644/12 188 Maryhill

There were quite a lot of Isabellas born in Kilsyth 1874-6 - but no Townsends or Buchanans.

But both those names must come from her side of the family.

Robert's son Ian's birth from scotlandspeople:
KELLER IAN BUCHANAN M
1942 644/11 270 Possilpark

He is in a private tree on Ancestry - suggest you make contact with the tree owner.

Perhaps Helen either had a late marriage, or joined her siblings abroad?

In 1911, Rudolph and family are at 488 Cathedral Street, Glasgow.

Rudolph, 35, joiner (shop fittings), born Poland.
Isabella, wife, 36, married 9 years, 4 children, 3 still living. Born Kilsyth, Stirlingshire.
Mary, 6, born USA (Ah!)
Helen, 5, born USA (so that birth I posted isn't her)
George, 1, born Glasgow

Helen Keller is still at 19 Burnbank Gardens in 1962 ER.

Snap, just read your above.

Thought they must be born Austria - but where does the Townsend name come from?

This is the only Scottish death of a Helen Keller - but not born early enough to be her ??


KELLER
HELEN
82
1998
614/ 996
Glasgow, Martha St

This is the only Scottish birth fitting that - but maybe the girls were born in Austria, which may be why we can't find Mary's birth ??

KELLER
HELEN CAIRD MOI. . . . . . .
F
1902
501/ 308
Old or West Kilpatrick

Not sure if that's the correct Helen. (EDIT - No she's not - see later posts)

Rudolph's daughter Helen is still at 19 Burnbank Gardens in 1962.

Rudolf's death:
KELLER RUDOLPH age 66 year 1942 644/5 1761
Springburn

ER for 1927/1928 has Rudolf, Mrs Isabella, Mary and Helen (both with E), so daughters born before 1906 if have to be 21?

Robert and family heading for Australia:

Robert C Keller
in the UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Name: Robert C Keller
Gender: Male
Age: 39
Birth Date: abt 1913
Departure Date: 28 Feb 1952
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Destination Port: Adelaide, Australia
Ship Name: Maloja
Shipping line: P and O
Official Number: 145437
Master: A G Jenkins

He's a carpenter, travelling with wife Elizabeth, 36, and son Ian B, 9.
Last UK address: 277 Parliamentary Road, Glasgow.


The family arriving in Australia - going to Elden Park Hostel, Adelaide:


Ian Keller
in the Fremantle, Western Australia, Passenger Lists, 1897-1963
Name: Ian Keller
Departure Place: London, United Kingdom
Arrival Date: 29 Mar 1952
Arrival Place: Fremantle, Western Australia, Australia
Vessel: Maloja

Aha!

In 1939 ER Rudolph is at 19 Burnbank Gardens, with Robert C Keller, George Keller, Helen Keller, and MARY KELLER.


Rudolph Keller
in the Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland, Electoral Registers, 1857-1962
Name: Rudolph Keller
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 168
Residence Place: Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Parliamentary Division: Glasgow


Robert C Keller has a "D" beside his name, denoting that he can vote at Parliamentary elections only. (whatever that means).

Interestingly, he also married a Scoular:

KELLER
ROBERT C
SCOULAR
ELIZABETH CLARK
1941
644/5 153
153
Springburn

From the date of the wedding, I assume he's Mary's brother.

His birth:

KELLER
ROBERT CHRISTOF
M
1912
644/9 1046
Milton

Rudolph's on ER's for Glasgow 1925 - 1939.


???


Rudolf Keller
in the 1901 Scotland Census
Name: Rudolf Keller
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relationship: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: austrian sub, Austria
Registration Number: 644/10
Registration district: Anderston
Civil Parish: Glasgow Sandyford
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 6 Kelvinhaugh St
Occupation: Cabinetmaker
ED: 46
Household schedule number: 230
LINE: 5
Roll: CSSCT1901_306
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexander Nabarrot 39
M L Nabarrot 29
Helen V Brun 22
Charles Kohler

In 1939 there's a William F Vosper and Mrs Heather Vosper living at 940 Sauchiehall Street - don't know if that's relevant at all:

William F Vosper
in the Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland, Electoral Registers, 1857-1962
Name: William F Vosper
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 6854
Residence Place: Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Parliamentary Division: Glasgow


In 1960 there's a Dora Vosper in Carmunnock Road:

Dora Vosper
in the Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland, Electoral Registers, 1857-1962
Name: Dora Vosper
Residence Year: 1960
Address: 181
Residence Place: Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Parliamentary Division: Glasgow


In censuses there are a number of Vospers in Greenock, and a family in Govan.

***** In 1939, a Rudolph Keller, shopfitter, is proprietor of 19 Burnbank Gardens, as well as a "yard and office" at 193 Rotten Row:

KELLER
RUDOLPH
Proprietor
HOUSE 19 BURNBANK GARDENS
GLASGOW
1930
VR010201461-

(From Valuation Rolls, SP)

?
https://www.identitynumber.org/death-notices-results.php?surname=SCOULAR

South African death records:
Full Names Surname Year of Birth View More
MARY TOWNSEND SCOULAR 1904 Click Here for More Information

Robert -
I think you'll have to buy a copy of the Keller / Scoular marriage cert, which will give you Mary's parents' names, and her age.

So far, we can't find her birth or death.

EDIT:
Crossed with your post re marriage cert, patchem!

No, no, I thought I had just better explain, as really need Mary's side of the family, and I had no intention of finding censuses etc for James.

So the marriage certificate is needed for more information about Mary and her family.

And how does Vosper fit in?