Genealogy Chat

well,kate, im no nearer the parents marriage but I hace Selinas and have her in the census for 1881/91/1901! Partial success!!!!! Sineadxxx

you know I did wonder who the hell married Emmanuel Hurford to make him a son in law!!!!! Am off for my tea but will hunt Selina and Marys death later.Thanks! Sineadxxx

it would certainly seem so! I had only the 3 boys but it does explain where Selina went and why there were only 3 boys. I must have had a mis transcription or summat cos someone did a look up for me and I only had 3 boys and their parents. Have all info on 3 boys so will check on three girls Thanks,]Sineadxxx

Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Emanuel HURFORD Head M Male 29 Luppitt, Devon, England Iron Galvaniser Mary Ann HURFORD Wife M Female 27 Bedminster Bristol Tailoress Caroline HURFORD Daur Female 9 Bedminster Bristol Scholars Mary Ann HURFORD Daur Female 7 Bedminster Bristol Scholars Selina HURFORD Daur Female 4 Bedminster Bristol Scholars Samuel HURFORD Son Male 2 Bedminster Bristol Scholars -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling 4 Providence Pl Census Place Bedminster, Somerset, England Family History Library Film 1341591 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 2454 / 113 Page Number 31 So it was Mary Ann who married Emanuel Hurford, still don't know what happened to Selina though.

Also if you look at the 1891 again you will see that the Barbers had a family of Hurfords living with them including Emanuel Hurford son-in-law widower, so Emanuel must have been married to either Selina or Mary A and then she died before 1891.

Name Age in 1871 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Image Caroline Barter 40 Bristol; Bedminster Wife Bedminster Somerset Mary A Barter 18 Bristol; Bedminster Daughter Bedminster Somerset Samuel Barter 45 Bristol; Bedminster Head Bedminster Somerset Samuel Barter 14 Bristol; Bedminster Son Bedminster Somerset Selina Barter 16 Bristol; Bedminster Daughter Bedminster Somerset Thomas Barter 20 Bristol; Bedminster Son Bedminster Somerset Walter I Barter 10 Bristol; Bedminster Son Bedminster Somerset Isn't this them, including Selina? Or have I got completely the wrong family? Kate.

As far as the marriage goes, I doubt if the Norfolk/Suffolk one is the right one, and I still think you should get one of the birth certificates to find Caroline's maiden name. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be much Bedminster stuff on the IGI; some of my ancestors came from there too and I'm having trouble finding out much about them, and unfortunately I think mine got married before 1837, but maybe if you find Caroline's maiden name you will be able to find the marriage in the GRO indexes after all. I am sure I saw Selina on one of the censuses earlier on but I didn't bother putting them up because I thought you had already seen them. I'll see if I can find it again. Kate.

well thats new to me!As far as the family is aware there were only the 3 boys! I wonder if she died-I have them on 1851,1881.1891and 1901 and she not there.They are not in 1871 and have no access to 1861. Another puzzle! Did this lot co anything straight?!

This is from the IGI, one of Samuel and Caroline's children: IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0 British Isles Search Results | Download | Pedigree Selina Barber Female Event(s): Birth: Christening: 03 FEB 1856 Bedminster, Somerset, England Parents: Father: Samuel Barber Family Mother: Caroline Barber Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: I016098 Film Although it doesn't seem to say what that batch is, it contains loads and loads of Bedminster christenings so I think it is probably accurate not somebody's guess. Kate.

had a thought!!!! 1858- its after first two kids were born(1851and1856) and before the third (1860).Did that really happen then?

sorry- kids tea time,had to go!!!! right!! Their first child was Thomas Barber born 1851 in Bedminster.As yet I have no birth certificate for him just a grave ( he was my g grandfather!). I have no idea of a maiden name for Caroline-but yes did not think of sending off for a birth cert!!! Steve- this could very well be the right one-but on the censuses she is down as coming from Bedminster so why would they go all the way to Norfolk/Suffolk to get married? mmmmmmmm

If you don't have birth reference - there is a Thomas birth in Bedminster Oct-Dec 1850 X1 - possibly 64 (not too clear). Chrissie p.s. I hope Sinead comes back :))

If you're still there Sinead, the only other thing I can suggest is to get one of the children's birth certificates to give you Caroline's maiden name if you don't already have it. Kate.

This is the transcription of the 1851 census off my CD but it doesn't seem to help that much, I was hoping they would be with some inlaws but still, it looks as though Thomas was their first child born 1850, unless of course they had a previous one who died. SIDNEYS COTTAGES BARBER Samuel 24 Mason Bedminster, Bristol Caroline 22 Laundress Bedminster, Bristol Thomas 6m Bedminster, Bristol Kate.

So, looking at Carolines age, I think a good idea perhaps to start looking 48/49/50 ?

And on the 1871 census (ancestry has their surname as Barter) their oldest son is Thomas age 20 so he would have been born in 1850 or 1851. Kate.

Looking at 1881, they had a son in c 1856. Chrissie

Do you have any information about Caroline's maiden name? With so many Samuel Barber marriages (though none in Bedminster on FreeBMD that I can see) it's difficult to know where to start! Also, if it's one that hasn't been put up onto FreeBMD yet and you have to look in the GRO indexes, how do you know where to look unless you have her maiden name? Kate.

sinead, dont forget that back then Bedminster covered a wider area that it does now. My g grandfather was born in Cleeve, Somerset but the GRO index states Bedminster

Anyway, to help us look, when was their first child born? (Assuming they had some)