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Arggggghhhhhhhhh!!! I'm so frustrated!! William Hawes born c1857 in Norwich, Norfolk according to 1881 census and in Ipswich, Suffolk on the 1891 census!! He died aged 58 in Ipswich on 6/9/1919 (I have death cert) which would make it nearer 1861. He married Emma Adelaide Abbott but I can't find their marriage anywhere. Without it I can't go back further, what do I do? I have no other info on William. I can't find anything on the 1871 census as my info is so vague and BMD had nothing helpful for the birth year(s). I have a little more info for Emma but am stumped with her as well. On her birth cert (13/3/1857) her father is not mentioned and her mother is listed as Mary Ann Abbott but I am sure that her mother was married. Again I was hoping the marriage cert would shed some light. There is a possibility that I may have found Emma and Mary Ann on the 1871 census living in Ipswich but I don't know how to 'prove' that without knowing more about her first. So what would you suggest that I do next? How can I find the siblings and parents of William and Emma with so little info? What more can I check? Any help at this point would be gratefully received!! Thanx

Can you post the details from 1881 so we know which William we're after please?

and from 1891, cos I can't see the one you're referring to...

Have you not found them in the 1891 census or 1901. This would give you some children and then you would know when to look for a marraige. Mind you some just don't want to be found as I have been looking for my g grandparents marriage for 5 years (not all the time mind you) I keep hoping it will turn up one day as I need it to my g granddad's father, like you I have nothing to go on. I am in the process of looking for all George Trigg/Triggs born 1848 with 5 years either side. I will then try and trace with the help of censuses on line the ones I have therebye being able to cross them off the list. Then check the burial for any others, with luck there will only be one or two left. So until the marriage turns up this will be the only way of proving it. Irene

Sorry.........I had trouble too........if you are looking on ancestry their surname has been mistranscribed as Hawco. It is definately Hawes though as it clearly says so when you bring the image up. Hope that helps!! Kind regards, Lisa

I'm guessing 1881 William Hawes 24 scissor grinder born Norfolk, norwich Emma Hawes 22 born Norfolk, norwich Arthur Hawes 2 born Lincoln, Spalding Address - Lodging at 'Bell Inn' The Waits St Ives Huntingdonshire

ok, so they're married by 1891... Hawco, William 34 Ipswich, Suffolk Head Stowmarket Suffolk Hawco, Emma 28 Ipswich, Suffolk Wife Stowmarket Suffolk Hawco, Arthur 12 Spalding, Lincolnshire Son Stowmarket Suffolk Hawco, Henry 10 Cambridge, Cambridgeshire Son Stowmarket Suffolk Hawco, Frederick 6 Stowmarket, Suffolk Son Stowmarket Suffolk Hawco, Victoria 3 Stowmarket, Suffolk Daughter Stowmarket Suffolk Hawco, Florrie 1 Stowmarket, Suffolk Daughter Stowmarket Suffolk They could have married anywhere lol Norfolk, Suffolk, Lincolshire, Huntingdon...

Most marriages took place at the Bride's home Parish. Can you not get that from the 1881?

I found a few Williams marrying Emmas, but none are Abbotts.

1881 census William Hawes, b abt1857, Boarder at 'Bell Inn', The Waits, St Ives Huntingdonshire. Occupation - Scissor Grinder Emma Hawes, b abt1859, Boarder at 'Bell Inn', The Waits, St Ives Huntingdonshire. Arthur Hawes, b abt 1879, Boarder at 'Bell Inn', The Waits, St Ives Huntingdonshire. 1891 Census William Hawco, aged 34, Head, Born Ipswich, Suffolk, Living Bury St, Stowmarket. Occupation - Umbrella Maker Emma Hawco, aged 28, Wife, Born Ipswich, Suffolk, Living Bury St, Stowmarket. Arthur Hawco, aged 12, son, born Spalding, Lincolnshire, Living Bury St, Stowmarket. Henry Hawco, aged 10, son, born Cambridge, Cambridgeshire, Living Bury St, Stowmarket. Frederick Hawco, aged 6, son, Born Stowmarket, Suffolk, Living Bury St, Stowmarket. Victoria Hawco, aged 3, daughter, Born Stowmarket, Suffolk, Living Bury St, Stowmarket. Florrie Hawco, aged 1, Daughter, Born Stowmarket, Suffolk, Living Bury St, Stowmarket.

Are you positive her maiden name is Abbott?

Lisa From the birth certificate, where was Emma born?

Yep, on my gt grandmother Ethel's birth cert it says Emma Hawes formerly Abbott. I couldn't find anything so I got Ethels sister Victoria's birth cert as well and it says the same on there. I also have Emma's birth cert and she was definately an Abbott. Her mother is also mentioned as Mary Ann Abbott but there is no mention of the father on there. Emma has adopted her married name on all certs and census which is why I was confident she was definately married to William. It is going to be a huge nightmare if they weren't married!!! lol

Emma Adelaide Abbott was born Dove Lane, St Helen, Ipswich, Suffolk on 13/03/1857

Lisa How do you know this is the correct birth certificate for Emma? Was it the only one you could find around the right time/area or did she use the name Adelaide on other documents and so prove this must be the right one?

Marriage Dec 1875 Abbott Emma Adelaide Windsor 2c 986 Just gotta work out who she married... Marriages Dec 1875 ABBOTT Emma Adelaide Windsor 2c 986 Arscott Jane Windsor 2c 986 MILLER Samuel Meadows Windsor 2c 986 Newman Robert Henry Windsor 2c 986 Not William.... Doesn't make sense.. Windsor Created 1st July 1837. Mainly in Berkshire, but included parts of Surrey. and here they are in 1881.. Emma A. Miller abt 1856 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Wife 2 Pottery Street, Ipswich St Helen, Suffolk, England Ethel L. Miller abt 1880 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Daughter 2 Pottery Street, Ipswich St Helen, Suffolk, England Samuel M. Miller abt 1850 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Head 2 Pottery Street, Ipswich St Helen, Suffolk, England

Hi Dea didn't want to intrude on Liza's but George was born as far as I can tell 1881 Petersfield, 1891, Camberley, 1901 Aldershot, he was living in Merrow. Not been able to find him yet in 1871. Irene

So Emma could have married twice. Irene

Only if she was commiting bigamy, Irene :) She's with William in 1881 too.

Here's another possible Emma... Births Mar 1859 ABBOTT Emma Elizabeth Ipswich 4a 64_