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It had me 'concerned ' too ;O) Maybe brother and sister James and Phoebe were twins. I will let you know what I find out from the cert. Next I tackle the Haighs..... Hugz, Gail

Hi Gail, That sound right, if the birth certificate does give her maiden name as Forrester too it is more than likely the right marriage and that would hopefully give you different fathers for each of them. Good luck and hopefully Lib and I have found the right families as well. Have to admit I was a bit worried when I saw a Ellen and James Forrester in the same house the same age!!! I think Lib cleared that one up nicely though. lol Fiona.

nudge...

AAAARRRRRGGH! Why can't they have been more original in their choice of names? So if I have this sorted right: Ellen Forrester may/maynot have married a James Forrester (hopefully not related because there were a lot of Forresters in Staff.). There is indeed a possible James/ Ellen Forrester marriage listing in 1861. She had a son James in 1862 and married a James Hinks later on, as James Forrester died around 1868. James, the son, married Phoebe Allen in 1890. They had 6 kids (their first Ellen died within a year of birth :o( ) before James died in 1991- just before the census and my grandfather, William was born. Thanks for all the help guys, Gail

Me too, FC lol Just realised there is a Pheobe in the last 'forrister' Family I found and James the son also has a daughter Pheobe, so with any luck we have cracked it! Sorry not his daughter, his wife lol You know what these ancestors are like for following name patterns pmsl Lib:)) *********************************** As MC said if you get birth cert for James it will give you more details. This looks like James Birth ref: FORRESTER, James Record Type: Births Quarter: June Year: 1862 District: Stoke upon Trent County: Staffordshire Volume: 6b Page: 158 (click to see others on page)

I feel better now you've found that one Lady Liberty, he's about the right age too. lol

There's this death about the right age and year. Name: FORRESTER, James Record Type: Deaths Age at death: 27 Quarter: March Year: 1868 District: Stoke upon Trent County: Staffordshire Volume: 6b Page: 102

There's also this for a James Forrester, but spelt Forrister! 1861: Head and James are Iron Miners! View Record Edward Forrister abt 1846 Kingsley, Staffordshire, England Son Kingsley Staffordshire View Record George Forrister abt 1842 Kingsley, Staffordshire, England Son Kingsley Staffordshire >>>View Record James Forrister abt 1840 Kingsley, Staffordshire, England Son Kingsley Staffordshire View Record Joseph Forrister abt 1844 Kingsley, Staffordshire, England Son Kingsley Staffordshire View Record Martha Forrister abt 1849 Kingsley, Staffordshire, England Daughter Kingsley Staffordshire View Record Phebe Forrister abt 1805 Holland, Batteries at Sea Wife Kingsley Staffordshire View Record William Forrister abt 1798 Kingsley, Staffordshire, England Head Kingsley Staffordshire RG9/1951 Registration district: Cheadle Sub-registration district: Ipstones ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Folio: 71 Page: 20 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 104 GSU Number: 542893

I think the birth certificate for James or one of the other sibling is needed to check if her maiden name was also Forrester.

How confusing is this lot MC lol I suspected Ellen was either single when she had James or married a Forrester!

I'm a bit worried now as there are a James and Ellen here born 1841? Please someone find some others!!! Maybe it should say Daughter-in-law. Ellen Forrester abt 1841 Bucknall, Staffordshire, England Daughter Bucknall Staffordshire View Record Emma Forrester abt 1851 Bucknall, Staffordshire, England Daughter Bucknall Staffordshire View Record James Forrester abt 1841 Bucknall, Staffordshire, England Son Bucknall Staffordshire View Record Mary Forrester abt 1816 Alltoxeter, Staffordshire, England Wife Bucknall Staffordshire View Record Matilda Forrester abt 1849 Bucknall, Staffordshire, England Daughter Bucknall Staffordshire View Record Thomas Forrester abt 1805 Cheddleton, Staffordshire, England Head Bucknall Staffordshire View Record Thomas Forrester abt 1839 Bucknall, Staffordshire, England Son Bucknall Staffordshire View Record William Forrester abt 1810 Cheddleton, Staffordshire, England Lodger Bucknall Staffordshire View Record William Forrester abt 1846 Bucknall, Staffordshire, England Son Bucknall Staffordshire

This is from the Staffordshire BMD site. Think they might both have been single in 1861. Her name by the look was Forrester Too so the single one found in 1861 could be her. Marriages for 1861. FORRESTER James FORRESTER Ellen Stoke, St Peter Stoke-On-Trent 31/14/006.

Think Mary is more likely to be daughter than grandaughter. IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0 British Isles Search Results | Download | Pedigree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mary Elizabeth Forrester Female -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 23 APR 1868 Christening: 21 SEP 1868 Bucknall, Stafford, England Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: James Forrester Family Mother: Ellen

Think this could be her with James her son: Then again her dob is way out! View Record Anthony Forrester abt 1829 Fenton, Staffordshire, England Head Stoke upon Trent Staffordshire >>View Record Ellen Forrester abt 1830 Fenton, Staffordshire, England Wife Stoke upon Trent Staffordshire >>View Record James Forrester abt 1859 Fenton, Staffordshire, England Son Stoke upon Trent Staffordshire View Record William Forrester abt 1855 Fenton, Staffordshire, England Son Stoke upon Trent Staffordshire RG9/1940 Registration district: Stoke Upon Trent Sub-registration district: Fenton ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Folio: 31 Page: 11 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 53 GSU Number: 542891

Thanks Lib, I have to go to work, but I will check back in tonight. hugz Gail

Gail No she is listed as single, Im still looking for another match!

Is she listed as widowed? G

Yes, will have a look! Theres this one; but she is unmarried! This can't be her.... *now looking like this is her and she was single in 1861* 1861: >>>View Record Ellen Forrester abt 1841 Bucknall, Staffordshire, England Daughter Bucknall Staffordshire View Record Emma Forrester abt 1851 Bucknall, Staffordshire, England Daughter Bucknall Staffordshire View Record James Forrester abt 1841 Bucknall, Staffordshire, England Son Bucknall Staffordshire View Record Mary Forrester abt 1816 Alltoxeter, Staffordshire, England Wife Bucknall Staffordshire View Record Matilda Forrester abt 1849 Bucknall, Staffordshire, England Daughter Bucknall Staffordshire View Record Thomas Forrester abt 1805 Cheddleton, Staffordshire, England Head Bucknall Staffordshire View Record Thomas Forrester abt 1839 Bucknall, Staffordshire, England Son Bucknall Staffordshire View Record William Forrester abt 1810 Cheddleton, Staffordshire, England Lodger Bucknall Staffordshire View Record William Forrester abt 1846 Bucknall, Staffordshire, England Son Bucknall Staffordshire RG9/1933 Registration district: Stoke Upon Trent Sub-registration district: Hanley ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Folio: 84 Page: 15 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 56 GSU Number: 542890

Thanks Lib. Now just have to figure out who/when Ellen Hinks was married to before, and the granddaughter Mary listing is a stumper too. The boys were too young to be the dad. Ellen must have had another child that either died or was away. Can you check the 1861 for Ellen Forrester? Warmest, Gailxx

Gail I looked at the image for 1891 and the persons in household above James were from Ireland, enumerator just put 'Ditto'. Bucknall is Staffordshire, Walsall is a District of Staffordshire too, Bloxwich is a sub-district, see below! Copy and pasted this from ancestry: Walsall Created 1st July 1837. Sub-districts : Aldridge; Bloxwich; Darlaston; Walsall. GRO volumes : XVII (1837-51); 6b (1852-1930). Aldridge, Bentley, Darlaston, Great Barr, Pelsall, Rushall, Walsall, Walsall Wood. Registers now in Walsall district. Lib:))