Genealogy Chat

Just for the record: Judill St (1871) is almost certainly SUDILL St - I have ancestors living there in 1861. Olde Crone

Have found Henry Farrand born 1817 in yorkshire married to Elizabeth Farrand born 1813, children alfred, edward and elsher but there is a grandaughter on there as well, Maria E Farrand, who does she belong to?

have taken Farrand back as far as i can on other reply 1861 and 1852 to follow 1861 View Record Alfred Farrand abt 1848 Bradford, Yorkshire, England Son Bradford Yorkshire View Record Edward Farrand abt 1845 Bradford, Yorkshire, England Son Bradford Yorkshire View Record Elizabeth Farrand abt 1813 Draughton Skipton, Yorkshire, England Wife Bradford Yorkshire View Record Elsher Farrand abt 1849 Bradford, Yorkshire, England Daughter Bradford Yorkshire View Record Henry Farrand abt 1817 Aldermondbury, Yorkshire, England Head Bradford Yorkshire View Record Maria E O Farrand abt 1858 Bradford, Yorkshire, England Granddaughter Bradford Yorkshire His father was a potato & fuit merchant address snow hill -------------------------------------------------------- 1851 Not sure so wont post it! Two henry farrands , both born Almondbury around the right time! Various other farrand s born Almondbury for you to investigate!!

Thanks for getting me started, I have found my way to the familysearch.org site and seem to be moving forward albeit slowly!! I really do appreciate all the help. Think I'll get that subscription!

Sorry forgot to add this - This could be your marriage of Matthew to Martha Hewartson, Matthew Marshall 1869 June Marriages Manchester (1837-1924) Lancashire Hulme, Martha 1869 June Marriages Manchester (1837-1924) Lancashire Hewartson, Matthew Marshall Record Type: Marriages Quarter: June Year: 1869 District: Manchester (1837-1924) County: Lancashire Volume: 8d Page: 386

Thanks for your pm. Most of the information that has been given to you has come from Ancestry - from census lookups. If you are new to this I would highly recommend you ask for an Ancestry subscription for a Christmas present - personally I dont think you can manage without it. Right so we have Matthew Hewertson bc1847 married to Martha b 1851 children Sarah bc1875 Charles bc1880 Ernest b c1884 Arthur b c1887 Frederick bc1873 John William b c1871 Matthew b 1878 Now you want to find the parents of Matthew and Martha. The safest way of doing this is to order certificates. A marriage certificate will show the address for the couple when they married, age at marriage, fathers names and occupations, place of marriage and names of witnesses. Birth certificates will show the date and place of birth, fathers name and occupation, mothers name (and maiden name) You can then start to trace them back in the census (on Ancestry) You can see that I posted a reply concerning the possible parents of Matthew - taken from the 1851 census. Birth certificates can be ordered from the GRO at 7 pound a time but you do need to know the GRO reference no. These can sometimes be found on BMD - website http://freebmd(.)rootsweb(.)com/ - remove brackets - or on the ancestry web site. If you can´t find them yourself then post a message on the boards - someone will always give you a hand to look them up. One thing you must always bear in mind is that don´t go back a generation until you are really sure you have the right person/people. It´s very easy to presume that you may have the right ancestor - take for example the message I posted for you re Martha Hulme. I thought I may have found her on the 1861 census, with parents Mary and Oliver. I then found another entry on the IGI with parents Samuel and Hannah - this one looks more likely as she was born in Knutsford, which ties in with the later censuses (or is it censi ?) By getting Martha´s marriage certificate to Matthew you will find out the name of her father. Don´t be afraid to post messages on the boards - there are so many helpful people out there who are only willing to help and advise. Good luck with your research. Elaine

Yes it is the right one, you are a star, you have found Edwards Mother for me-Elizabeth born 1813 as I had hit a brick wall with this one, thatnk you, thank you, thank you!!

im not saying it the right paul farrand- just that i might be! its the only one i can see, will look again for you- 1901 Paul is married - his WIFE is ELIZABETH, HIs mother in census before is ISABELLE ( they dont have any children in 1901 that i can see) Elizabeth Farrand abt 1871 Salford, Lancashire, England Wife South Manchester Lancashire Paul Farrand abt 1871 Manchester, Lancashire, England Head South Manchester Lancashire Annie Jones abt 1886 Llanrug, Wales Servant South Manchester Lancashire Ellen Jones abt 1882 Llanrug, Wales Servant St South Manchester Lancashire Paul is a fruit merchant address 177 Plymouth Grove ---------------------------------------------------------------- Marriage seems right , even if in a location that i find Odd Brown, Elizabeth 1894 June Marriages Peterborough Cambridgeshire Huntingdonshire Lincolnshire Northamptonshire Farrand, Paul 1894 June Marriages Peterborough Cambridgeshire Huntingdonshire Lincolnshire Northamptonshire ------------------------------------------ 1891 brings in more of the names you mentioned Farrand, Albert E abt 1867 Manchester, Lancashire, England Son Urmston Lancashire Farrand, Edward abt 1845 Bradford, Yorkshire, England Head Urmston Lancashire Farrand, Elizabeth abt 1813 Draughton, Yorkshire, England Mother Urmston Lancashire Farrand, Eva abt 1869 Manchester, Lancashire, England Daughter Urmston Lancashire Farrand, Isabel abt 1885 Urmston, Lancashire, England Daughter Urmston Lancashire Farrand, Isabella abt 1844 Manchester, Lancashire, England Wife Urmston Lancashire Farrand, Lilly abt 1872 Davyhulme, Lancashire, England Daughter Urmston Lancashire Farrand, Louis abt 1881 Urmston, Lancashire, England Son Urmston Lancashire Farrand, Paul abt 1871 Manchester, Lancashire, England Son Urmston Lancashire Farrand, Sarah E abt 1865 Manchester, Lancashire, England Daughter Urmston Lancashire Farrand, Sydney abt 1876 Urmston, Lancashire, England Son Urmston Lancashire his father is a fruit merchant address Crofts bank Rd -------------------------------------------------------------------- 1881 Clara Edmundson Farrand abt 1866 Manchester, Lancashire, England Daughter 3 Stanley Villa Crofts Bank Road, Urmston, Lancashire, England Edward Farrand abt 1845 Bradford, Yorkshire, England Head 3 Stanley Villa Crofts Bank Road, Urmston, Lancashire, England Elizabeth Farrand abt 1814 Skipton, Yorkshire, England Mother 3 Stanley Villa Crofts Bank Road, Urmston, Lancashire, England < heads mother (edward 1845) Eva Farrand abt 1869 Manchester, Lancashire, England Daughter 3 Stanley Villa Crofts Bank Road, Urmston, Lancashire, England sabella Edmundson Farrand abt 1844 Manchester, Lancashire, England Wife 3 Stanley Villa Crofts Bank Road, Urmston, Lancashire, England Lilly Farrand abt 1872 Manchester, Lancashire, England Daughter 3 Stanley Villa Crofts Bank Road, Urmston, Lancashire, England Louis Farrand abt 1880 Urmston, Lancashire, England Son 3 Stanley Villa Crofts Bank Road, Urmston, Lancashire, England Paul Farrand abt 1871 Manchester, Lancashire, England Son 3 Stanley Villa Crofts Bank Road, Urmston, Lancashire, England Sarah Elizabeth Farrand abt 1865 Manchester, Lancashire, England Daughter 3 Stanley Villa Crofts Bank Road, Urmston, Lancashire, England Sidney Farrand abt 1876 Urmston, Lancashire, England Son 3 Stanley Villa Crofts Bank Road, Urmston, Lancashire, England Ellen Horne abt 1826 Keighley, Yorkshire, England Visitor 3 Stanley Villa Crofts Bank Road, Urmston, Lancashire, England Sarah Jane Wood Swindells abt 1859 Manchester, Lancashire, England Servant 3 Stanley Villa Crofts Bank Road, Urmston edward was a fruit merchant ------------------------------------------------------------------ 1871 Margaret Denson abt 1850 Manchester, Lancashire, England Servant Manchester Lancashire Albert Ed Farrand abt 1868 Manchester, Lancashire, England Son Manchester Lancashire Clara E Farrand abt 1866 Manchester, Lancashire, England Daughter Manchester Lancashire Edward Farrand abt 1845 Bradford, Yorkshire, England Head Manchester Lancashire Eva Farrand abt 1869 Manchester, Lancashire, England Daughter Manchester Lancashire Isabella Farrand abt 1844 Manchester, Lancashire, England Wife Manchester Lancashire Paul Farrand abt 1870 Manchester, Lancashire, England Son Manchester Lancashire Sarah E Farrand abt 1865 Manchester, Lancashire, England Daughter Manchester Lancashire Alice Foulds abt 1859 Manchester, Lancashire, England Nurse Manchester Lancashire address Hard to read Judill St?? occupation Fruit salesman ---------------------------------------------------------------- 1861 before Edward married at home with his parents & siblings Alfred Farrand abt 1848 Bradford, Yorkshire, England Son Bradford Yorkshire Edward Farrand abt 1845 Bradford, Yorkshire, England Son Bradford Yorkshire Elizabeth Farrand abt 1813 Draughton Skipton, Yorkshire, England Wife Bradford Yorkshire Elsher Farrand abt 1849 Bradford, Yorkshire, England Daughter Bradford Yorkshire Henry Farrand abt 1817 Aldermondbury, Yorkshire, England Head Bradford Yorkshire Maria E O Farrand abt 1858 Bradford, Yorkshire, England Granddaughter Bradford Yorkshire address 6 snow hill Occupation of his father - fruit and potato dealer ----------------------------------------------------- 1851

William Arthur Marshall was the 6th Cheif Constable of either Salford or Manchester and my Gran Olga Hewertson grandaughter of Mathew Marshall Hewertson and Martha Hewertson nee Hulme, always talked about him. Im not quite sure where he came into the equasion but she said he was some sort of grandparent or great grandparent.

certificates can be ordered on line from http://www.gro(.)gov(.)uk/gro/content/ - remove brackets Cost 7 pounds each, providing you give the GRO reference. Didn´t quite understand your last message - whose father could have been William Arthur Marshall

Thank you Elaine, this is amazing, I know that his Father could have been William Arthur Marshall who was the 6th Chief Constable of Salford/Manchester. Have no idea about his mother apart from what you told me and no family to ask, so maybe the next step is birth certificates. Where do i order them from?

Trying to trace Matthew´s wife - Martha Hulme This is the only one I can find in 1861 census, Martha´s place of birth given as Dukinfield. On later census place of birth given as Knutsford. I don´t know whether these places are near each other - someone may be able to help on this. Therefore this is only a possible Agnes Hulme abt 1856 Dukinfield, Cheshire, England Daughter Dukinfield Lancashire George Hulme abt 1854 Ashton Under Lyne, Lancashire, England Son Dukinfield Lancashire John Hulme abt 1858 Dukinfield, Cheshire, England Son Dukinfield Lancashire *** Martha Hulme abt 1851 Dukinfield, Cheshire, England Daughter Dukinfield Lancashire Mary Hulme abt 1829 Marple, Cheshire, England Wife Dukinfield Lancashire Oliver Hulme abt 1828 Hyde, Cheshire, England Head Dukinfield Lancashire Source information: RG9/2996 Registration district: Ashton Under Lyne Sub-registration district: Dukinfield ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Folio: 75 Page: 2 I have just found this on the IGI - gives parents as Samuel and Hannah - so this is another possibility. MARTHA HULME Female Event(s): Birth: Christening: 27 MAY 1849 St John'S, Knutsford, Cheshire, England Death: Burial: Parents: Father: SAMUEL Family Mother: HANNAH HULME in which case this is her on the 1851census 1851 census Ellen Hulme abt 1846 N Knutsford, Cheshire, England Daughter Nether Knutsford Cheshire Hannah Hulme abt 1809 Plumbley, Cheshire, England Head Nether Knutsford Cheshire Hannah Hulme abt 1840 N Knutsford, Cheshire, England Daughter Nether Knutsford Cheshire Maria Hulme abt 1844 N Knutsford, Cheshire, England Daughter Nether Knutsford Cheshire *** Martha Hulme abt 1849 N Knutsford, Cheshire, England Daughter Nether Knutsford Cheshire Wm Hulme abt 1831 Tabley, Cheshire, England Son Nether Knutsford Cheshire You´ll have to start investing in some certificates to sort out the right ones!!

From BMD - this appears to be Matthews birth. If you ordered his birth certificate you would find his mother´s maiden name. Hewertson, Matthew Marshall Record Type: Births Quarter: December Year: 1845 District: Manchester (1837-1924) County: Lancashire Volume: 20 Page: 761

Have just checked the IGI for you ..... website www()familysearch(.)org .... (remove brackets) - and have found a christening for Matthew Hewertson and a marriage of Matthew Hewartson to Martha Hulme. Marriages: MATTHEW MARSHALL HEWARTSON Spouse: MARTHA HULME Marriage: 06 JUN 1869 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England and MATTHEW MARSHALL HEWERTSON Male Event(s): Birth: Christening: 22 DEC 1845 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England Death: Burial: Parents: Father: JOHN HEWERTSON Family Mother: MARY MARIA

I also think the Beatrice link is 1907 does it say who the parents are?

It could be, all I have now thanks to you is that he was born 1846 and married Martha and they had 5 children, where do you search? I cant thank you enough for this

Could this be your Matthew on the 1861 census ? I think the image says Shop Boy - not Step Boy ***Matthew Hewertson abt 1847 Manchester Step Boy Hulme Lancashire Jane Snibson abt 1808 Settle, Yorkshire, England Wife Hulme Lancashire Jane Snibson abt 1841 Manchester Daughter Hulme Lancashire Thomas Snibson abt 1811 Clay Crop, Derbyshire, England Head Hulme Lancashire Source information: RG9/2899 Registration district: Chorlton Sub-registration district: Hulme ED, institution, or vessel: 55 Folio: 37 Page: 21

THANK YOU so so much to everyone, how do I find this info out? The Farrand (Edward and Isabella) line is slightly different to how I had it down from the 1901 census.

This could be Matthew with his parents on 1851 census Have checked image and I believe it says Hewertson John Hewerksot abt 1814 Crosby, Westmorland, England Head Beswick Lancashire John H Hewerksot abt 1848 Beswick, Lancashire, England Son Beswick Lancashire Mary L Hewerksot abt 1821 Middlesex, England Wife Beswick Lancashire Matthew M Hewerksot abt 1846 Beswick, Lancashire, England Son Beswick Lancashire Thomas W Hewerksot abt 1850 Beswick, Lancashire, England Son Beswick Lancashire Elizabeth Spencer abt 1833 Staffordshire, England Servant Beswick Lancashire Source information: HO107/2231 Registration district: Manchester Sub-registration district: Newton ED, institution, or vessel: 3b Folio: 389 Page: 7 Can´t seem to find Matthew on 1861 census - perhaps someone else will have more luck!

1871 census 1871 census John W Hewertson abt 1870 Hulme, Lancashire, England Son Salford Lancashire Martha Hewertson abt 1849 Knutsford, Cheshire, England Wife Salford Lancashire Matthew M Hewertson abt 1846 Beswick, Lancashire, England Head Salford Lancashire Source information: RG10/4022 Registration district: Salford Sub-registration district: Regent Road ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Folio: 84 Page: 7