Genealogy Chat

Maureen has mailed me to say she has now found Ellens baptism in Ireland (hasnt she done well!) The bad news is she was born a Cochran.

The only other thing (!) which occurred to me Kate as I sit here supposedly completing quotations and survey reports, is that we assume that Ellen is the first 3(?) girls mum but there is always the possibility she was the second wife of Mr Cochran! As we havent found the marriage to him yet. Oh well, it will be interesting to hear what Eunices birth cert says when Maureen gets it. Oh, I love this dont you! Now I must get on.

Oh well done Kate. I have to say I had thought about using just first names, particularly Eunice as it was so unusual but I was being summonsed by husband to do his quotations for tomorrow. I went to bed and just got up to check for a little while on Eunices in Durham but saw your message first. That should save £7 for Maureen and now to find the marriage of Ellen and Mr Cochran, but not right now its less than 5.5 hours before Im up again. Well done, Im glad this worked out. Felt quite stupid when it became obvious we should be looking for an earlier marriage - though always at back of mind a few kids may have died in that 6 year gap. Lets hope Mr Cochran isnt Irish!! Though that name ....... Though, thinking about it - if that marriage is right in December 1881 (Freebmd)- Sarah born 1882 should be Williams, so there is still a gap with no kids? Right, I must get on, sorry Maureen I cant find them in the 1881 - may be she went back to Ireland if hubby died? I wish you luck, though I think you do have a lot to go on now and at least you wont be following the wrong line! Now, must work!

Okay, I think I have solved it. Here is a marriage, from FreeBMD: Marriages Dec 1881 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cochran Ellen Auckland 10a 312 HOLROYD William Auckland 10a 312 JOHNSON Rachel Auckland 10a 312 Wright William Auckland 10a 312 and three births, also from FreeBMD: Births Jun 1874 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cochran Eunice Dewsbury 9b 699 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Sep 1875 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cochrane Lilly Ann Dewsbury 9b 714 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Dec 1878 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cochran Violet Dewsbury 9b 636 and just to prove that William and Ellen married each other, this is the marriage from Durham BMD: Surname Forename(s) Year District HOLROYD William 1881 Durham Western COCHRAN Ellen 1881 Durham Western (Durham BMD gives the spouse's name rather than having more than one marriage per page number!) So Eunice, Lilly Ann, and Violet were Cochranes before their mother married William Holroyd. Not worked out where Sarah came from yet. If you want to know how I did it, I read this in a magazine a long time ago - search for each birth with just first name, district and approx year (ancestry is best for this) and cross-check to see if one surname crops up in the list for all the first names. In this case it was Cochran or Cochrane. Then I just checked for an Ellen Cochran(e) marrying a William Holroyd. And now I must be off to bed! Goodnight. Kate. P.S. Maybe somebody who stays up later can find them on the 1881 census - I can't!

This must be Florence's birth, as Easington included Castle Eden which means the one Heather found for James should be the right one too): Births Jun 1890 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Holroyd Florence Easington 10a 453 I'm working on the rest.... Kate.

Just thought (am I thick or what - 2 large glasses of Tesco's finest isnt helping). But it may be that Ellen was married before and that James is in fact the first child by William - note there is a 6 year gap betwen Sarah and James. It may be the first bunch of kids are the first husbands and she was a widow when she married William? In which case they would be registered under first hubbys name. Do let us know, Im intrigued now. If that is so and James isnt your direct ancestor, you may have to branch out another way once you get the birth cert as hopefully if she were married previously you may have her earlier married name on there. Good luck - never straight forward is it!!

Maureen, I cant find a marriage in the likely time frame for William. It may be he married after the children were born. I was trying to save you sending for the birth cert, but I think you will have to. It may turn out that the other kids were registered in the mums name. Dont know, strange old lot, do let us know the outcome.

yes that is sarah and leilley is Lilley, there is so many Lilley's Jeanette

Maureen, to make sure, I would ask them to check the fathers name, to save wasting £7. The only other Holroyds I could find roughly right dates were down in Chertsey, Surrey. Hope James was the right one. He was actually on freebmd aswell.

Thanks all you Wonderful People I can now send for that birth cert at last!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank You Maureen

Korah is a sarah , surely?

To Jeanette Thats the census 1881 all there but no ref. no,s on 1837 to get birth certs, You,ve all gone to so much trouble i,m really grateful Maureen

Well, I think the others werent even in Durham, here are the lot born in the whole of the area 1874-1879: Thank gawd for the free 10 units guys! Why dont you check out familyrelatives and get your ten free units and spend a bit of time trying the names for the whole country? Surname Forename1 Forename2 Forename3 Mothers maiden name District Page No Event Quarter Year View Image 1 Holroyd Frank Hartlepool.10a 127 Birth 4 1878 2 Holroyd Frank Stockton.10a 81 Birth 2 1874 3 Holroyd George Ernest Hartlepool.10a 154 Birth 3 1876 4 Holroyd Humphrey Hobart Hartlepool.10a 173 Birth 2 1877 5 Holroyd Isaac Hartlepool.10a 212 Birth 3 1874 6 Holroyd Jane Elizabeth Tynemouth.10b 166 Birth 3 1873 7 Holroyd Joseph William Hartlepool.10a 197 Birth 2 1874 8 Holroyd Lucy Caroline Newcastle Upon Tyne.10b 25 Birth 1 1873 9 Holroyd Maria Gateshead.10a 868 Birth 4 1875 10 Holroyd Nora Teesdale.10a 374 Birth 2 1875 11 Holroyd William Edmund Stockton.10a 87 Birth 1 1875

HOORAY - Here is James, different district to what census said, but at least you have a ref and it is Durham No Surname Forename1 Forename2 Forename3 Mothers maiden name District Page No Event Quarter Year View Image 1 Holroyd James Easington.10a 410 Birth 3 1887

To H eather Ive even looked on Durham County Records as three of the children were born in the northeast. but nothing there either. It,s a mistery I know they exist because Eunice married my grandfather and died in1900 Maureen

found them in 1891 Holroyd, Ellen abt 1856 Ireland Wife Monk Hesledon Durham View Record Holroyd, Eunice abt 1875 Dewsbury, Yorkshire, England Daughter Monk Hesledon Durham View Record Holroyd, Florence abt 1890 Castle Eden Colliery, Durham, England Daughter Monk Hesledon Durham View Record Holroyd, James abt 1888 Castle Eden Colliery, Durham, England Son Monk Hesledon Durham View Record Holroyd, Lilley A abt 1876 Dewsbury, Yorkshire, England Daughter Monk Hesledon Durham View Record Holroyd, Sarah abt 1882 Shildon, Durham, England Son Monk Hesledon Durham View Record Holroyd, Violet abt 1879 Dewsbury, Yorkshire, England Daughter Monk Hesledon Durham View Record Holroyd, William abt 1841 Dewsbury, Yorkshire, England Head Monk Hesledon Durham Jeanette

What is the fathers place of birth?

Holroyd The fathers name was William b.1841 his wife or whoever was called Ellen b.1856 in Ireland. If this helps at all thanks again Maureen

But the kids would have been registered under some name wouldnt they

Nope, theres something not quite right about all this, cant find your Leilley being born at all. Where did you get the info for their births from.