Genealogy Chat

Jenny - sorry, Dea, not trying to hijack your thread - do you have two separate birth certificates for the child you mention with different informant's names, or just two entries from the GRO index? Because if you have just found two entries (with matching reference numbers ) it is not necessarily that the child was registered twice by different people, just that the GRO index the birth registration twice if the child is 'illegitimate' but given the father's surname. (They will also index the entry under the mother's surname.) But only the one birth certificate! Kate.

Hi All, APPARENTLY, Flora RICHARDSON (down as daughter of Samuel Richardson) -was born in Warton and known as Flora Chesters? Anyway, this is VERY interesting as I looked up her birth and it was Registered June quarter 1859 as Flora KENT Chesters. When I found Samuel Richardson + Ann Chesters in 1851 - both as servants - the Head of the household was George KENT c 1805 (Lawton) !!!!!!!!! I have sent for the birth certificate and will see what 'goodies' that brings - I can't wait!!

Hi, I know this will not help your muddle-but I have two children registered twice-one by the Mother and one by the Father (ssh! looks like they were not married) Mother registered the child in her name and Father in his, but the reference number was the same, so I believe them to be the same child, and I have since managed to contact that childs son and he said his grandad was very cagey about any talk of marriage. So I guess it can happen. Jennifer.

Hi Dee. Iv had this problem my grtgrtgrandfather Enock Shenton on the 1861 census. He is living at home with parents, then iv just found him living with Elizabeth a few streets away who he marries 2yrs later and iv checked and double checked they are the same person. Gill

Kat + Kate, I can't pin Mary down yet on 1851 but have asked for a look-up on Rootschat for 1841. - I have found Samuel Richardson on the 1851 - living as a Farm Labourer (Servant) In Byley cum Yatehouse - In the same Household is another servant - Ann CHESTERS - born c 1829 - NOT the one he married but possibly a sister to Elizabeth (his wife), and the reason for them meeting? Thanks to Peter Bennett - I have him also on 1841: HO107-121-18-Folio 5 Byley cum Yatehouse Middlewich John Richardson 31 ag lab Maria 33 Hannah 10 John 8 George 6 Samuel 4 Mary 1 Dea x P.S. - It gets worse - Just noticed on the 1851 - Samuel RICHARDSON's parents are in the household next door AND Samuel HICKTON (The one who married Mary CHESTERS ) is a few households away with his parents + siblings. I think I'm SINKING !! Dea

Unfortunately Cheshire is not on Origins1841 census yet. If you have them on 1851 census ie all the brothers and sisters of both perhaps we can help you work from there Kat

Do you have Mary on the 1841 and / or 1851? And if so, does she have any sisters, particularly an Elizabeth (well, I know you can't be sure what relationship on the 1841, but you know what I mean). If not, it might help if you can find her on either or both. Kate.

All I can say Kat is that I have been working on all of the above. Haven't found it yet BUT I WILL !!!!!!!!!!!! Dea x

Dea, The only thing I can think of is the relationship could be: 1) Mary's sister marrying the brother of Samuel or brother of Samuels wife. 2) A sister of one of Mary's Husbands marrying a brother of Samuel or Samuels wife 3) A brother of Mary's Husband marrying a sister of Samuel or Samuels wife. This can get complicated but I think you need a list of all the above brothers and sisters and find all their husbands and wives . Or have you already done that? Have you established the marriages of all the brothers and sisters. Could be a long haul but I bet you find the connection there Kat .

Thank you Alan, I had, found this one but I can't connect the surname Wright to anything. Thanks for you info - I will keep looking. Regards, Dea x

THANK YOU !!!!!!! Dea x

Will have another look after dinner. If you find anything meantime please add it to thread? Kat

Thanks Kat - I realise this and appreciate that is why she is on there twice. However, It still links her up to the Hicktons and the Richardsons + SAMUEL RICHARDSON who I cannot link up with Sarah and her father Thomas and the rest of their family. This is what I am trying to do but cannot find the connection. Dea x

Dea It could really be as simple as the fact she has been entered twice, one where she normally lives and the other where she may be visiting only where she is visiting they have put the relationship to head(as if she is living there) instead of visitor. I have found this occurring twice on my tree. eg. I had a harriet, a boarding house keeper, on Yarmouth Census and the same Harriet staying with her sister and hubby but listed as sil to Head on Catfield census. The people staying at the boarding house that night probably thought they ought to add her name to the census as she owned the place even tho she wasn't there. Was there anybody else on the Church St address listed with her. If so maybe they listed her because she would normally be there. They might have thought she would be missed out if they didn't put her name on. I suppose not everybody understood the rules? Kat

Nudging for my friend Tracey to have a look. (+ anyone else if they are willing)! Dea x

Thanks Judith - I have followed those through. 1 - is out as you say. 2 - I have looked for a marriage with any of those surnames - there are only 2 marriages for a Samuel Richardson between 1855 - 1865 that I can find - the only one which might be it has no spouses names on page and the 1837 image is barely readable: Marriages Sep 1859 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marklow William Warrington 8c 123 Richardson Samuel Warrington 8c 123 This is also in Warrington which is fairly nearby but not very convincing. I suppose your point 3 is a possibility - I will see what I can find. Regards, Dea P.S. - Samuel Richardson's wife was called Elizabeth - born c 1840, Clive, Cheshire. - The first child that I know of was born c 1860

OK - let's assume sister in law means that and not a step relationship or any other odd connection. 1)Sister in law could mean Samuel's brother's wife BUT she was never married to a Richardson and her husbands were both Samuels so that's out. 2) Sister in law could mean his wife's sister. Do you know anything about the Chesters family. Did Mary have any sisters who could have married Samuel Richardson? 3) I suppose he might still call her sister in law if his wife was sister to one of Mary's husbands. Do you have any info on Samuel Richardson's wife. Could she have been a CHESTERS or a HICKTON or a DOWNING?

nudged as I REALLY need help on this please Dea

I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong but I believe it is the same district. Also, IF there are 2 - why do they both have connections with the same Richardsons and the same Hicktons and both have connections with and work in Pubs ??? ALSO - on the 1871 - The middlewich birth Mary (when she was still a Hickton) - was also down as born in Clive !! They MUST be the same person. Dea

1891: Mary Downing - head - widdow - age 56 living on own means - at 2 Church Street, Monks Coppenhall, Cheshire Mary Downing - sister in law - widdow - age 56 - living on owwn means at the Bear's Head, Brereton Green, Cheshire - RG12/2843 with Samuel Richardson as Head. Both the same person! Dea x