Genealogy Chat

Can somebody do me an 1841 search for John Longworth born c1826 in Northampton area and then follow him through for me please? And then a William Longworth, born c1847 in Northampton, in the 1851 and 1861 census? And finally, an Charles Wyatt born c1851 in Kingsthorpe, Northampton. Starting with 1851 just to see if he's on it, then 1851 with his sister Mary c1853 and brother George c1857. And lastly on the 1861 to follow him through and 1871 when another sister Annie c1867 should have appeared. Thankyou so much for any help.

41 isnt generally availible - can start in 1851 if you like

Yes please. Thankyou Jess, you're a star.

John in 1851 (wonder if george is is his dad? could be) Eliza Longworth abt 1827 Northamptonshire, England Wife Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire George Longworth abt 1791 Northamptonshire, England Lodger Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire John Longworth abt 1826 Northamptonshire, England Head Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire Lousia Longworth abt 1851 Northamptonshire, England Daughter Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire William Longworth abt 1848 Northamptonshire, England Son Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire Fanny Parbery abt 1836 Kingsthorp, Northamptonshire, England Servant Northampton St Sepulchre he is a boot closer, living Regent place (Regent Place long gone) ---------------------------------------------------------- feeling around , one for the back burner If George had a brother, maybe his late brothers wife Jabez Longworth abt 1839 St Sepulchre, Northamptonshire, England Son Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire Lorenza Longworth abt 1841 St Sepulchre, Northamptonshire, England Son Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire Sarah Longworth abt 1811 St Sepulchre, Northamptonshire, England Head Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire Sarah Longworth abt 1834 St Sepulchre, Northamptonshire, England Daughter Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire Sophia Longworth abt 1836 St Sepulchre, Northamptonshire, England Daughter Northampton St Sepulchre cant work out the Street name - maybe bath St, but its dodgy

1861 they have got themselves all in a tiddle! going to post all 12 that pop up and then see who belongs where. bear with me 1) Eliza Longworth abt 1826 Northamptonshire, England Mother Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire 2)Ellen Longworth abt 1857 Northamptonshire, England Daughter Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire 2)Emily Longworth abt 1860 Northamptonshire, England Daughter Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire 2)George Longworth abt 1831 Northamptonshire, England Head Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire 1)Harriett Longworth abt 1859 Northamptonshire, England Daughter Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire 3)John Longworth abt 1826 Northamptonshire, England Son Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire 2)John Longworth abt 1853 Northampton, Northamptonshire, England Son Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire 3) Lorenza Longworth abt 1831 Northamptonshire, England Son Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire 1)Lousia Longworth abt 1851 Northamptonshire, England Daughter Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire 2)Martha Longworth abt 1835 Towcester, Northamptonshire, England Wife Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire 3)Sarah Longworth abt 1807 Northampton, Northamptonshire, England Lodger Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire 3)William Longworth abt 1848 Northamptonshire, England Grandson Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire ----------------------------------------------- 1) View Record Elizabeth Draper abt 1825 Northamptonshire, England Wife Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire View Record Elizabeth Draper abt 1844 Northamptonshire, England Daughter Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire View Record Mary A Draper abt 1857 Northamptonshire, England Daughter Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire View Record Sarah Draper abt 1799 Northamptonshire, England Wife Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire View Record Thomas Draper abt 1799 Norwich Head Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire View Record Thomas Draper abt 1825 Northamptonshire, England Head Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire View Record Thomas Draper abt 1853 Northamptonshire, England Son Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire View Record Ann Holmes abt 1839 Northamptonshire, England Boarder Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire View Record Eliza Longworth abt 1826 Northamptonshire, England Mother Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire View Record Harriett Longworth abt 1859 Northamptonshire, England Daughter Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire View Record Lousia Longworth abt 1851 Northamptonshire, England Daughter Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire View Record Elizabeth Draper abt 1825 Northamptonshire, England Wife Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire View Record Elizabeth Draper abt 1844 Northamptonshire, England Daughter Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire View Record Mary A Draper abt 1857 Northamptonshire, England Daughter Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire View Record Sarah Draper abt 1799 Northamptonshire, England Wife Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire View Record Thomas Draper abt 1799 Norwich Head Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire View Record Thomas Draper abt 1825 Northamptonshire, England Head Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire View Record Thomas Draper abt 1853 Northamptonshire, England Son Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire View Record Ann Holmes abt 1839 Northamptonshire, England Boarder Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire >Eliza Longworth abt 1826 Northamptonshire, England Mother Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire >Harriett Longworth abt 1859 Northamptonshire, England Daughter Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire >Lousia Longworth abt 1851 Northamptonshire, England Daughter Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire - not quite sure whose mother she is though! Right , doesnt say mother on image. she is the mother of the two girls, sharing a house in Adelaide St (still exists in part) Think it says Unm... ============================================== 2) Ellen Longworth abt 1857 Northamptonshire, England Daughter Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire Emily Longworth abt 1860 Northamptonshire, England Daughter Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire George Longworth abt 1831 Northamptonshire, England Head Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire John Longworth abt 1853 Northampton, Northamptonshire, England Son Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire Martha Longworth abt 1835 Towcester, Northamptonshire, England Wife Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire Ling in Oak Street - still exists but redeveloped a boot closer

1861 Cont 3) John Longworth abt 1826 Northamptonshire, England Son Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire Lorenza Longworth abt 1831 Northamptonshire, England Son Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire Sarah Longworth abt 1807 Northampton, Northamptonshire, England Lodger Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire William Longworth abt 1848 Northamptonshire, England Grandson Northampton St Sepulchre Northamptonshire living in Baliff St (still there) John and co appear to be with what i guess is his mother but....

Gawd - im drowning in Longworths! must be family 3 you want really - i think! will look for them in 1871

So have you numbered the first lot by what household they were in? And were the three women living together? It's a confusing situation alright. However someone did contact me saying their Lorenzo was a relation of William, and he was living with his grandmother at one time. So it would fit - I just haven't been able to find evidence so didn't put anything in.

Tiddley pom!! Yes - in 1861 i have got them into 3 groups which then follow in houshold groups ========================================== 1871 , william who has decided to go visting...The Wyatts!! Bridget Cross abt 1854 Northamptonshire, England Boarder Duston Northamptonshire Elizabeth Longworth abt 1848 Duston, Northamptonshire, England Visitor Duston Northamptonshire Elizabeth Longworth abt 1869 Duston, Northamptonshire, England Daughter Duston Northamptonshire Harriott Longworth abt 1867 Duston, Northamptonshire, England Daughter Duston Northamptonshire William Longworth abt 1848 Kingsthorpe, Northamptonshire, England Visitor Duston Northamptonshire Annie Wyatt abt 1864 Duston, Northamptonshire, England Daughter Duston Northamptonshire Charles Wyatt abt 1851 Duston, Northamptonshire, England Son Duston Northamptonshire Elizabeth Wyatt abt 1826 Kingsthorpe, Northamptonshire, England Head Duston Northamptonshire George Wyatt abt 1857 Duston, Northamptonshire, England Son Duston Northamptonshire Mary Ann Wyatt abt 1853 Duston, Northamptonshire, England Daughter Duston Northamptonshire He appears to be married to Elizabeth (nee Wyatt?) Living 25 Devonshire St- exists in part ========================================= No they havent..... Ada Longworth abt 1869 Northampton, Northamptonshire, England Granddaughter St Sepulchre Northamptonshire Kate Longworth abt 1870 Northampton, Northamptonshire, England Granddaughter St Sepulchre Northamptonshire Lorenzo Longworth abt 1841 Northampton, Northamptonshire, England Son St Sepulchre Northamptonshire Matilda Longworth abt 1850 Daventry, Northamptonshire, England Daughter St Sepulchre Northamptonshire Sarah Longworth abt 1807 Northampton, Northamptonshire, England Head St Sepulchre Northamptonshire Living at 2 Deal St (just round corner from Oak St) Matilda and lorenzo are married with their children and his mother. ================================== John i think.. Ellen Longworth abt 1855 Northampton, Northamptonshire, England Daughter St Sepulchre Northamptonshire Emily Longworth abt 1860 Northampton, Northamptonshire, England Daughter St Sepulchre Northamptonshire George Longworth abt 1831 Northampton, Northamptonshire, England Head St Sepulchre Northamptonshire Harriett Longworth abt 1863 Northampton, Northamptonshire, England Daughter St Sepulchre Northamptonshire John Longworth abt 1853 Northampton, Northamptonshire, England Son St Sepulchre Northamptonshire Martha Longworth abt 1835 Northampton, Northamptonshire, England Wife St Sepulchre Northamptonshire Living in oak st John is still unmarried

Lost the plot completely! which ones do you want continuing? will do all if you want but some may have to wait until later (unless someone else takes it up)

1881 John has married (mary jane nee poultney) Charles P. Longworth abt 1874 Northamptonshire, England Son 11 Thomas St., Northampton St Sepulchre, Northamptonshire, England John Longworth abt 1853 Northamptonshire, England Head 11 Thomas St., Northampton St Sepulchre, Northamptonshire, England Mary J. Longworth abt 1852 Northamptonshire, England Wife 11 Thomas St., Northampton St Sepulchre, Northamptonshire, England ============================================ lorenzo has another child or two Ada Longworth abt 1869 Northamptonshire, England Daughter 2 Deal St, Northampton St Sepulchre, Northamptonshire, England Harriett Longworth abt 1875 Northamptonshire, England Daughter 2 Deal St, Northampton St Sepulchre, Northamptonshire, England John Longworth abt 1872 Northamptonshire, England Son 2 Deal St, Northampton St Sepulchre, Northamptonshire, England Kate Longworth abt 1871 Northamptonshire, England Daughter 2 Deal St, Northampton St Sepulchre, Northamptonshire, England Lorenzo Longworth abt 1841 Northamptonshire, England Head 2 Deal St, Northampton St Sepulchre, Northamptonshire, England Major L. Longworth abt 1879 Northamptonshire, England Son 2 Deal St, Northampton St Sepulchre, Northamptonshire, England Matilda Longworth abt 1850 Horton, Northamptonshire, England Wife 2 Deal St, Northampton St Sepulchre, Northamptonshire, England ===================================== william has children Annie Longworth abt 1879 Duston, Northamptonshire, England Daughter 12 Alma St., Duston, Northamptonshire, England Chas. Longworth abt 1873 Duston, Northamptonshire, England Son 12 Alma St., Duston, Northamptonshire, England Eliza Longworth abt 1876 Duston, Northamptonshire, England Daughter 12 Alma St., Duston, Northamptonshire, England Elizth. Longworth abt 1848 Northamptonshire, England Wife 12 Alma St., Duston, Northamptonshire, England Elizth. Longworth abt 1869 Duston, Northamptonshire, England Daughter 12 Alma St., Duston, Northamptonshire, England Harriett Longworth abt 1881 Duston, Northamptonshire, England Daughter 12 Alma St., Duston, Northamptonshire, England Wm. Longworth abt 1851 Northamptonshire, England Head 12 Alma St., Duston, Northamptonshire, England

also 1881 George martha is nee Allington Allington, Martha 1852 June Marriages Northampton (1837-1924) Northamptonshire Longworth, George 1852 June Marriages Northampton (1837-1924) Northamptonshire George Longworth abt 1834 Northamptonshire, England Head 38 St Lawrence St, Northampton St Sepulchre, Northamptonshire, England Harriett Longworth abt 1863 Northamptonshire, England Daughter 38 St Lawrence St, Northampton St Sepulchre, Northamptonshire, England Martha Longworth abt 1837 Towcester, Northamptonshire, England Wife 38 St Lawrence St, Northampton St Sepulchre, Northamptonshire, England

Now lets really blow your mind!! Longworth marriages!! will sort brides/grooms later!! have to go out now View Record Longworth, Ada 1898 June Marriages Northampton (1837-1924) Northamptonshire View Record Longworth, Annie Louisa 1902 March Marriages Northampton (1837-1924) Northamptonshire View Record Longworth, Charles 1894 September Marriages Northampton (1837-1924) Northamptonshire View Record Longworth, Eliza 1897 June Marriages Northampton (1837-1924) Northamptonshire View Record Longworth, Elizabeth 1890 September Marriages Northampton (1837-1924) Northamptonshire View Record LONGWORTH, Ellen 1876 December Marriages Northampton (1837-1924) Northamptonshire View Record Longworth, Emily 1878 March Marriages Northampton (1837-1924) Northamptonshire View Record Longworth, George 1852 June Marriages Northampton (1837-1924) Northamptonshire Bride = Martha Allington View Record LONGWORTH, George W 1908 December Marriages Northampton (1837-1924) Northamptonshire View Record Longworth, Harriet 1902 June Marriages Northampton (1837-1924) Northamptonshire View Record Longworth, Harriett 1900 September Marriages Northampton (1837-1924) Northamptonshire View Record Longworth, Jabez 1870 June Marriages Northampton (1837-1924) Northamptonshire View Record LONGWORTH, John 1873 March Marriages Northampton (1837-1924) Northamptonshire Bridfe = Mary jane Poultney View Record LONGWORTH, John 1898 December Marriages Northampton (1837-1924) Northamptonshire View Record Longworth, Kate 1895 December Marriages Northampton (1837-1924) Northamptonshire View Record LONGWORTH, Lorenzo 1867 December Marriages Northampton (1837-1924) Northamptonshire BRIDE = Matilda Major View Record LONGWORTH, Major Lorenzo 1909 September Marriages Northampton (1837-1924) Northamptonshire ********************************************************************

Crikey Jess! All that while I dropped littl'un off at school. I do think that Elizabeth was nee Wyatt as after she married William they lived at the back of 12 Alma Street, with Betsy Wyatt (mother) lived with two of her sons at 12 Alma Street - from 1881 census. So that sorts that line out. Now this Lorenzo thing, the only way i can be sure is birth certs. John Longworth c1826 must have died or left Elizabeth before the 1871? as she was living with two of the daughters with no mention of him after that. (Just thinking out aloud, hoping I'm getting somewhere......) So I'll look for a death ref. Thankyou for this Jess, looked a rampant lot for sure.

Right made sense of most of it. John must have left Eliza and went to live with his mother and brother, and took young William with him.Sound right? But when William and Elizabeth were visiting Elizabeth's mother they must have taken their first two daughters with them. Yes? Doesn't say daughters of whom. Now i just have to work out why John left, and with him staying with his brother it ties in the Lorenzo connection. If anyone can see any fatal flaws please tell me as this is one part I don't want to mess up.

A very kind person has just looked up 1841 for me. William Longworth c1801 was married to Sarah c1806. They then had Harriett c1826, John c1826, George, c1831, Sarah c1833, Sophia c1836, Jabez c1838 and Lorenzo c1841. William was from out of town, possibly Lancashire. They also found me the reference to William and Sarah's marriage - her surname was Blackby and they married 21/10/1822 at All Saints Northampton. A really productive morning.

can you see any really obvious holes/gaps that want filling? If who ever it was was married at All Saints chuch, it is a beautiful old church , right- plonk- in the middle of town. was in there on Tuesday evening actually!

Ok so have missed Jabez! #he married in 1871 View Record Longworth, Jabez 1870 June Marriages Northampton (1837-1924) Northamptonshire View Record Melville, Patience 1870 June Marriages Northampton (1837-1924) Northamptonshire 1871 his wife transcribed as Palmer!(reads as patience - !) Jabez Longworth abt 1839 St Sepulchres, Northamptonshire, England Head St Giles Northamptonshire Palmer Longworth abt 1836 Brampton, Cumberland, England Wife St Giles Northamptonshire address 30 Ridings- a hop away from the rest - slap in the middle of town (now the co-op car park!!) 1881- pending 1891 Patience is a widow and living at 9 Derngate- Name: Longworth, Patience Age: 54 Estimated birth year: abt 1837 Gender: Female Where Born: Stamford North Civil parish: St Giles Ecclesiastical parish: St Giles Town: Northampton County/Island: Northamptonshire

I've managed to work most of it out now. William and Sarah - who married at All Saints, were John's parents. It's nice to see something of the past is still standing.Thankyou so much for all your help this morning. But don't worry I'll be back with another lot soon. I've just followed the Jabez Longworth line down. He married a Patience Melville, in 1870 and then died in 1877. It would appear they never had children and she was still a widow in 1891. So that's Jabez, Lorenzo, William covered. Now I remember vaguely finding that George Wyatt married a Fanny, but can't for the life of me remember where. Probably 1891 or 1901. I really hope hubby buys me a subscription to Ancestry soon so I don't have to keep bugging you.

This is keeping you out of mischief isn't it.