Genealogy Chat

David, had you considered that Maud's father would be in his 70's by her birth date? Again not saying this isn't possible......just something that sometimes crops up in conversation...... Merry

hi monty ,the lady from whose tree he is on found them on such a search , i found his first wife on 1881 census but not his 2nd wife , but ive looked at her tree and both wives had children to him one severn and the other six , but no ref to charles which is odd seeing charles oct is born in london city ,you would of thought we would find him before 1901 census ,but if he educated abroad how young would he be when they sent him there? in those days. i will get there it toook me a year to find william , and my late aunt had the tree back to late 1700,s but thanks for your time on this monty you are very kind to do this for me and its appreciated , cheers for now dave willson

I'm sorry, but I must concede defeat on this. 1891 census........loads of Charles Wil(l)sons from Londonish area. No way to know which is THE ONE. 1881 census - several Charles who could be the one.....eliminated some because they have the wrong dad. Followed others forward....they all became someone else (if you see what I mean!) Marriage of Willson to Gilbert....there is one, but can't see how it can fit. (1913 Q2 Bessie Willson to Frederick Gilbert - I fact I think her name may be with one L because all the children of this marriage were reg mother's maiden name Wilson!) Can't find one for William H Willson to any Gilbert's. Can't search Wilson (one ''L'' to Gilbert because too expensive on Family Search and too big a task for FreeBMD) Maud will have been born after 1901 but before 1911 so cannot extract her birth. Maud will have died before 1983 so i cannot find her death without a surname. So I give up. Sorry............................. It's interesting that Maud was your dad's aunt but was younger than him. means William H Willson's second wife must have been a good deal younger. You say you think he was born in the 1830's.....if she had his child in about 1905 she must have been at least 30 years younger, if not more. Not saying it isn't possible (plenty of those on my tree!) but why can't I find anyone that fits?? - No marriage and no couple with wide age gap on 1901. Merry

threr is another possible contender a william henry willson born brighton 1833 whos parrents were robinson and sarah willson .

the lady jeanette above is onto something, the story i got from late aunt kathleen who was doing tree when she died, was that ,the gt,gt,grandfather was married to a lady from europe who,s familly owned a ship building company. there surname began with a W ,it may of been a french or dutch name. the 3rd gt grandfather was in royal navy and was related by a marrage to thomas masterman hardy. ive been told by my niece in zimbarbwe ,that thomas hardy was one of the 3rd gt granfathers on the female line. but ive got to confirm this myself . ,now my late aunt used to visit my area alot ,and so was supprised to find two people who knew her in my neck of woods one was my dads cousin margret johnson(nee gabb) and the other an Elizabeth vawser , elizabeth told me id find the family living in surrey in 1800,s she also said both her and my familly came from france in 1066, Elizabeth vawser ,knows her genology she has written a book on her family tree ,but she would not tell me much only that her aunt ellinor was a close friend of my aunt . dave

Thanks will be on the case later! Merry

ok maud gilbert , dont knowe where from, she was about 70-73 in and arround 1970 1971, dont knowe married name ,but he came from moscow. she lived for quite sometime in midhurst , hants, and died there about 1980. she had two children a daughter who lived not far from her, and a son in russia. she was a little younger than my dad or about same age ,my dad died in 77 aged aged 74 yrs but thats all i knowe of her im affraid. dave

Will look later Come on, what about MAUD!!!!! Merry

ok ive just had a look on free bmd and got a possible birth for charles .o.willson ,seeing he might be listed as just plain charles willson. so see if you can see anything its got him born sept quater greenwich the gro is 1d page 857, i noted that at same year a albert was born and a william charles willson in greenwich

I won't be back til after that...... Put on the thread absolutely EVERYTHING you can think of about Maud!! (Without her we are stuck!!) There is no birth reg for Charles with the middle name and no obvious matches on the 1881 or 1891 census (or several if you allow for slightly different place of birth), so we need Maud's help. What do you know? Rough age at death? When did she die?? Where did she die?? (I know you don't know her married surname....never mind!.....Do you know what letter his name began with??) Where in the country did she live? Do you know where she came from?? Even rough answers might help!! ANYTHING at all you can think of might help.............. Merry

ok ill keep an eye out , but gotta go work at 6pm cheers dave

PM from David: Charles octavius willson was born 1875 city of london. In 1900 he married caroline georgina gabb in richmond surrey , she lived at barness at the time , in 19o1 they owned a hotel ,its actually called the white horse ,94 brixton rd lambeth, the hotel is still there today. and can be found on www.lambeth landmarks.com ,my father charles henry willson was born there in 1903 , after his birth they moved to hove sussex.c.o.willson owned alot of buissnes.es he had a coal merchant at newhaven sussex called c.o.willson ltd ,this was still running as a firm in 1970 my father used to take me down the office alot . he owned a builders merchants under same name in lewis sussex. , a a farm and slughter house ,i dont knowe where that was, a butcher shop in alfriston sussex , and a small shipping co ,taking goods to eurpe and bringing cotton and lace to england . and all this by his 30th birthday was a wealthy guy, he died 19th jan 1933 in hove sussex ,and it was put in times newspaper. now i knowe little of his familly ,he poss had a brother called george, my dad talked of him , there was maud gilbert ,dont knowe much about her but she used to visit us in 70,s dad called her aunt , she lived in midhurst at the time ,gibert her maid name her married one i have not a clue she was married to a russian fella. she used to play grass green bowls for the uk in world champs in worthimg sussex. dad also went out to stay with familly in canada in the 60,s and talked of an uncle atlee from thier. now why kent? well i come across a lady on here who,s william married a lady called harriet gilbert, in chatham. my father stayed up in herne bay area with familly in 1913 ,so could be a poss link . the witnesses on cert were william h willson,and mary ann gabb. . the 1901 census on c.o.willson is rg13,p30,folio49pice 427 thank for help dave :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: I'll be back later on David................ Merry

Hellloooooooo.......David.........???? Merry

Who were the marriage witnesses? Merry

What do you know about this Maud Gilbert??? If we could find a Maud Gilbert with family named Willson that would be the breakthrough! I take it that was a maiden name? Do you know anything more about her? I have looked at all the maud(e) Gilberts on the 1901 with a link to Kent, but none with a mother and/or step-father called Wil(l)son :o(( Merry

Right, this is driving me up the wall!!!! I have found Charles on the Nat Archives version of 1901, so that will have to do (even with these details I can't find him on Ancestry!!) Charles Willson 26 London City London Lambeth Publican Hotel White House Merry

could this be him 1851 head Grocer William Shipwright dockyard George B Willson abt 1793 Chatham, Kent, England Head Chatham Kent View Record George B Willson abt 1818 Chatham, Kent, England Son Chatham Kent View Record Sarah A Willson abt 1795 Chatham, Kent, England Wife Chatham Kent View Record Sarah A Willson abt 1826 Chatham, Kent, England Daughter Chatham Kent ===View Record William H Willson abt 1831 Chatham, Kent, England Son Chatham Kent 1861 high street Head corn factor ? Record F Goble abt 1847 Chatham, Kent, England Servant Gillingham Kent View Record G Hetterley abt 1842 Chatham, Kent, England Servant Gillingham Kent View Record A Willson abt 1859 Chatham, Kent, England Son Gillingham Kent View Record A E Willson abt 1856 Gillingham, Kent, England Daughter Gillingham Kent View Record E Willson abt 1835 Gillingham, Kent, England Wife Gillingham Kent View Record G Willson abt 1860 Luton, Kent, England Son Gillingham Kent View Record H Willson abt 1857 Gillingham, Kent, England Son Gillingham Kent ==View Record Willson H Willson abt 1831 Luton, Kent, England Head Gillingham Kent 1871 Suton Road Head miller Olliff E Bath abt 1795 Favesham, Kent, England Servant Chatham Kent View Record Albert M Willson abt 1870 Chatham, Kent, England Son Chatham Kent View Record Alfred Willson abt 1859 Chatham, Kent, England Son Chatham Kent View Record Alice Willson abt 1867 Chatham, Kent, England Daughter Chatham Kent View Record George Willson abt 1861 Chatham, Kent, England Son Chatham Kent ==== View Record Harriett Willson abt 1842 Chatham, Kent, England Wife Chatham Kent View Record Harry Willson abt 1857 Chatham, Kent, England Son Chatham Kent View Record Lizzie E Willson abt 1868 Chatham, Kent, England Daughter Chatham Kent View Record Walter H Willson abt 1865 Chatham, Kent, England Son Chatham Kent ===View Record William H Willson abt 1831 Chatham, Kent, England Head Chatham Kent 1881 head a carter widow Albert Wilson abt 1870 Chatham, Kent, England Son Nelson Place, Chatham, Kent, England View Record Edith Wilson abt 1874 Chatham, Kent, England Daughter Nelson Place, Chatham, Kent, England View Record Ernest Wilson abt 1872 Chatham, Kent, England Son Nelson Place, Chatham, Kent, England View Record Harriett Wilson abt 1842 Chatham, Kent, England Head Nelson Place, Chatham, Kent, England View Record Lizzie E. Wilson abt 1866 Chatham, Kent, England Daughter Nelson Place, Chatham, Kent, England View Record Nelly Wilson abt 1879 Chatham, Kent, England Daughter Nelson Place, Chatham, Kent, England View Record Percy W. Wilson abt 1876 Chatham, Kent, England Son Nelson Place, Chatham, Kent, England View Record Walter H. Wilson abt 1865 Chatham, Kent, England Son Nelson Place, Chatham, Kent, England 1891 head widow living by own means 6 Wilson Terrace Albert Mortimer Willson abt 1870 Chatham, Kent, England Son Chatham Kent View Record Edith Elenor Willson abt 1874 Chatham, Kent, England Daughter Chatham Kent View Record Ernest Willson abt 1872 Chatham, Kent, England Son Chatham Kent === View Record Harriett Willson abt 1842 Chatham, Kent, England Head Chatham Kent View Record Nellie Willson abt 1879 Chatham, Kent, England Daughter Chatham Kent View Record Percy Wm Willson abt 1876 Chatham, Kent, England Son Chatham Kent Hmmm can't see any charles octavius in those census's

How do you know Charles' father would have been born circa 1830 from Charles marriage cert???????? Merry

David, there are dozens of Charles Wil(l)sons in Lambeth...... Would it hurt to tell us his age, where he was born, how his name is spelled, or maybe even the RG ref number...... It's getting on for two hours since you first posted and we still don't even know who's father we are looking for......!!!!! Sorry, if I sound frustrated.....I am....... Now, from your last post I'm not even sure if you still want people to look????? Merry

dear all, charles octavius is on 1901 censcus ,publican the white horse hotel lambeth. his father on the marrage cert i just got is william henry willson c1830 it says no occupation. now i been doing some searching and its poss he came from chatham in kent . there is one here that according to the owner was married to elizabeth and then 2nd wife harriet gilbert . my dad had an aunt called maud gilbert so it looks a good match if it can be proven fits in with familly stories ect cheers dave