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I have a Emma Elligett born 1868 Guildford Surrey ( not to be confused with Emma Elligett born 1865 Farnham died 1868) Emma married Edwin Thomas Willoughby in 1892 St Olave. I have tried every premonition of spellings first names only, ages and birth places to find them on the 1901 census but no luck. As no mothers maiden name was added to birth's until 1912 I cant find a birth form them. Now they could simply have been away on census night. Or could they have started there new live over sea's. ? Do I try and find there deaths ? Or do I try and find out if they went over sea's ? Taking i have no idea where to start looking for this. What would you do first ? If you have any thought's of your own on there were about, I would be grateful to hear them. Diane. x

Do you have the marriage cert for the details for Edwin Willoughby? Is this him? EDWIN THOMAS WILLOUGHBY Event(s): Birth: 05 JUN 1860 Christening: 01 JUL 1860 St Mary, Rotherhithe, London, England Parents: Father: EDWIN WILLOUGHBY Family Mother: EMMA and this him in 1881: Edwin WILLOUGHBY Head W Male 46 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Printer >>>>Edwin T. WILLOUGHBY Son U Male 20 Rotherhithe, Surrey, England Printer Lilian R. WILLOUGHBY Daur U Female 16 Rotherhithe, Surrey, England Housekeeper Emily M. WILLOUGHBY Daur U Female 14 Rotherhithe, Surrey, England Nelly M. WILLOUGHBY Daur Female 10 Rotherhithe, Surrey, England Scholar Lewis C. WILLOUGHBY Son Male 5 Rotherhithe, Surrey, England Scholar Mark D. WILLOUGHBY Son Male 5 Rotherhithe, Surrey, England Scholar Percy H. WILLOUGHBY Son Male 4 Rotherhithe, Surrey, England Scholar Merry

Birth reg: Q3 1860 Willoughby, Edwin Thomas, Rotherhithe, 1d 494 Merry

The easiest thing to do first would be to look to see if either or both of them died before 1901, because it should be on FreeBMD and if any quarters have not yet been transcribed on FreeBMD it wouldn't take very long to look them up on ancestry, 1837 online or Family Relatives. But if you don't find a death for either one of them before 1901, you could be searching a lot of quarters to find their deaths. If they stayed in this country, that is. Still, I think that is what I would do anyway, because if you do find a death for either or both of them it would show that they stayed in this country. Do you think it is likely that they would have left wills? Because if so, you could try and trace them that way. by the way, if they were away on census night they should be listed in the place they were staying unless they were out of the country. Kate.

Hopefully this is one of their children, should be fairly easy to find Willoughby, Emmanuel Albert 1898 March Births St Olave Southwark London Surrey

Yes Merry, That's him and yes i have this information. Diane.

Oh, I didn't realise you had his details!!!!!! LOL Never mind. What was his occupation on the marriage cert? Merry

Helen I saw that i while back and did wonder if this was a child of there's the name Emmanuel, having Emma at the begining sort of a clue do you think ? I could order a birth certificate and see what names are on there. Diane

There are about a dozen Willoughbys registered in St olave 1893-1900. They obviously can't all be Edwins. Can't find b******* Emmanuel now though, can I? LOL

Merry, I can't work out if it says Printer or painter Not very clear. Diane

It would have been so much easier for us all if mothers madian name had been added form 1837 onwards LOL. Diane.

I can't see Emmanuel in 1901, but there is this Albert : >>>Albert Willoughby abt 1898 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Son Bermondsey London Alfred Willoughby abt 1865 Islington Head Bermondsey London Alfred Willoughby abt 1895 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Son Bermondsey London Alice Willoughby abt 1862 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Wife Bermondsey London Alice L Willoughby abt 1889 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Daughter Bermondsey London Beatrice Willoughby abt 1891 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Daughter Bermondsey London Florence Willoughby abt 1900 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Daughter Bermondsey London Rosie Willoughby abt 1893 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Daughter Bermondsey London William Willoughby abt 1896 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Son Bermondsey London If this Albert, above, isn't Emmanuel Albert, then this Albert doesn't seem to have been registered for birth, which is why I think it's him! Merry

Expect it's printer then (occ on marriage cert), as that's what it said in 1881. Merry

Helen, There were a bigish Willoughby family living around that area so they could belong to any of them. Diane.

There's lots of Willoughby families around there in 1901. And thats only the ones who had their surname spelled that way.

I can't find Edwin in 1891 either! Merry

For a second I thought I had Edwin's death, but it was his dad!! 1920 Q2 aged 82. Sorry, was so surprised I didn't write down the rest, but don't suppose you need it anyway!! Merry

Merry Thats what i thought, about the printer. It could be that Albert is also Emmanual and the family droped the name as it is a bit of a mouthfull. Diane

I agree about Albert, so you wouldn't want to waste £7 on the cert. merry