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Hope this will make sense to you all.. Henry George Elliott born Dec 1898 – From a birth cert Mother: Ellen Annie Elliott nee Bowen Father William James Elliott Born at: 23 Andersons Walk, Lambeth I have been looking for Henry my granddad for years, so ordered the above cert, though I could have the wrong one as on his marriage cert it says fathers name William Edward Elliott occ wheelwright. Found with the help of Merry that Nellie Annie Bowen married William James Elliott 1898. I have been searching the census for about 2 yrs and hit on the idea yesterday about doing an address search on the 1901 census on the right of the screen (thinking I could then see who was living at the address 2 yrs after the birth), well it gives you the RG no so I put this into ancestry and up popped 23 Andersons Walk Lambeth. This is my dilemma and can anybody help me sort this one out please??? Record Edward Bowen abt 1882 Lambeth, London, England Son Lambeth London View Record George J Bowen abt 1857 Lambeth, London, England Head Lambeth London View Record Maria Bowen abt 1860 Camberwell, London, England Wife Lambeth London View Record Edward Elliott abt 1899 Lambeth, London, England Grandson Lambeth London This looks like it could be Ellen’s parents, but below could be Ellen, though not sure what is going on!! Ellen Bowen abt 1879 Pimlico, London, England Wife Lambeth London View Record John G Bowen abt 1878 Lambeth, London, England Head Lambeth London View Record Lizzie Bowen abt 1900 Lambeth, London, England Daughter Lambeth London Any ideas would be wonderful, im at a loss of what to think now…. Many thanks Debs xx

Seems to be them 1881 census View Record Eleanor A. Bowen abt 1878 Lambeth, Surrey, England Daughter 19 Gloster St, Lambeth, London, England View Record George J. Bowen abt 1858 Lambeth, Surrey, England Head 19 Gloster St, Lambeth, London, England View Record Maria E. Bowen abt 1859 Camberwell, Surrey, England Wife 19 Gloster St, Lambeth, London, England

Is it possible that John Bowen and his wife , who happens to be named Ellen live there. Then Ellen Elliott is a different, but as yet not located individual? Pete

My first guess is that Ellen Bowen is the sister-in-law of Ellen Elliott, but I'll get back to you when I've looked at the image. Kate.

Jim - Thank you, that has to be the couple from 1901 as I know she was born abt 1876.. I think its too much of a coincidence that in no 23 Andersons Walk lived 2 Bowen families.. What I cant work out is.. do I have the right family and if so then why isnt anyone named Elliott apart from the grandson? Debs x

Kate - I would have thought the same thing too, but both being called Ellen? Maybe. Not sure, but if so then where is Ellen/Nellie Annie Elliott nee Bowen? This is driving me crazy after yrs of searching for Henry I find that the birth cert I have ties in with details from that address in 1901.. Debs x

Names seem to vary but this is them; 1891 census View Record Edward Bonen abt 1884 Lambeth, Surrey, England Son Lambeth London View Record Ellen Bonen abt 1876 Lambeth, Surrey, England Daughter Lambeth London View Record George Bonen abt 1857 Lambeth, Surrey, England Head Lambeth London View Record George Bonen abt 1881 Lambeth, Surrey, England Son Lambeth London View Record Mary Bonen abt 1859 Lambeth, Surrey, England Wife Lambeth London

Right... I've looked at the image for Edward Elliott, and he is the grandson of George J. Bowen and Maria. They have a son Edward Bowen age 17. As to why there are no other Elliotts in the household, either Edward lived with his grandparents, or was visiting them, and either his parents didn't live there, or they were away at the time. Or could even have been dead. Presumably Edward's mother was a Bowen who married an Elliott, but since this Edward would be about the same age as your Henry, I'm not sure that you have the right family. As for Ellen and John, I can't even see them on the image, so I guess she lived somewhere else? Kate.

Jim, Your right it is them, that spelling mistake makes sense as I have been looking for them and couldnt find them, Thank you.. Any ideas if Henry could be Edward but living in the same house with his mother upstairs or downstairs?? If so any ideas about why Ellen is married to a John Bowen and NOT William Elliott? Debs x

Before you go too far down this line.... Henry isn't there. Have you found a Henry anywhere in 1901? Or his parents? Or a death?

Kate, This is what baffles me: Henry George Elliott was born at 23 Andersons Wlk and mother Ellen A Elliott nee Bowen.. Same age as Edward, the page before Maria and George is still no 23 Andersons Walk and thats where I have found them.. Maybe im thinking too much into Bowen and Elliott and the address but something doesnt seem quite right? Debs x

Hi Phoenix, Henry was my grandad, he married in 1931 and died in 1960, I cant find him with a mother named Ellen or a father named William anywhere, the reason I hit on the address search was because I have the birth cert saying that the address is 23 and thats where he was born.. What do you think? He married and died in Lambeth and these are the only ones in that area I can find. Debs x

Oh, right, I get it, John, Ellen and Lizzie are on the previous page! So John is probably Ellen Elliott's brother, and this Ellen is Ellen Elliott's sister-in-law. Kate.

Kate, I think your right, the reason being that my Ellen was born 1876 and this one 1879.. I think I found the birth ref for Lizzie and she was born in Lambeth Jun qu 1899 so they are a touch out there but that wouldnt give Ellen time to have another one after Henry being born Dec 1898 would it? Now do you think that Henry is being called Edward - not sure why, but is then living for some reason with his grandparents? also I know he had a sister named Emily though not sure if she was older or younger! Thank you Debs x

Can i put them all together; 1901 census View Record Ellen Bowen abt 1879 Pimlico, London, England Wife Lambeth London View Record John G Bowen abt 1878 Lambeth, London, England Head Lambeth London View Record Lizzie Bowen abt 1900 Lambeth, London, England Daughter Lambeth London Record Edward Bowen abt 1882 Lambeth, London, England Son Lambeth London View Record George J Bowen abt 1857 Lambeth, London, England Head Lambeth London View Record Maria Bowen abt 1860 Camberwell, London, England Wife Lambeth London View Record Edward Elliott abt 1899 Lambeth, London, England Grandson Lambeth London

Right, I think I understand now, sorry. Just looking on FreeBMD now... Kate.

I think I can guess why it says Edward instead of Henry; the enumerator just copied the name from the wrong line, cos remember his uncle Edward is on the line above. It does look as though the enumerator was having a bad day, since he wrote George's name down as Stephen and had to correct it! FreeBMD is on a bit of a go-slow at the moment... Kate.

Jim - thank you, bit early here and maybe I didnt explain it quite right, are you on the same line here as Kate in the fact that the enumerator has copied the name wrong? if you look you can see he has made quite a few little mistakes? Kate - im with you on this I think that maybe he has made a mistake, but that doesnt tell me where his parents are.. Am I on the right track? Debs x

I think it may very well be him. As for his parents, I have been looking at Ellen / Nellie / Eleanor Elliot(t)s but can't spot her. And without any info about where and when William was born, it is impossible to look for him. I didn't find a death or marriage for Ellen / Nellie on FreeBMD between 1898 and 1901 yet, although I haven't tried Elliot with just one 't' yet! Have you tried looking for Emily's birth at all, or are there too many Emily Elliotts to choose from? Kate.