Genealogy Chat

In a muddle again.Double checking tree.....Grandmother, we thought was Kate Murton,can't find birth on ancestry, nearest is Kate Martin.... Have date of birth as 17th October 1884 in Norwich none but there is a Kate Martin then..............Married Alexander Leopald Jeary in Norwich about 1906.....Have I been barking up the wrong tree...........

Why did you think she was a Murton in the first place and where did you find her as a Martin - this is a pretty easy transcriber mistake or even on a certificate. What certificates do you have for them - the marriage?

Here is his marriage: Marriages Jun 1907 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- JEARY Alexander Leopold Norwich 4b 283 Just looking for the spouse on Ancestry beta......... Merry

We always thought it was Murton, looked it up in ancestry and there was no Murton, only a Martin who matches the date of birth, haven't checked the marriages, doing it now......

Spouse is recorded as Murton on the marriage entry. Merry

Thank you Merry, just found that marriage, I was looking at 1905 and 1906 because first child was born in 1907..........Verifies Murton name, thank you ...........Happy unbirthday.......

What's the source of her date of birth? Could it be wrong? Emma

Emma, found it on ancestry, I think it has been verified as murton as Grandad was Alexander Leopold Jeary...........Moving on to the next one.....

I thought you were trying to find her birth as well as confirm whether it was Murton/Martin? Emma

Sandra I have Kate Murton born 1876 But in Middlesbrough, father Steven, but there is a big family of the Murtons and they re-used names one way or another;; Babs

You could try ordering the Martin birth cert with a checking point. Is Kate's mum Elizabeth Murton? (will prob be down as Martin, though!) Merry

Even more of a muddle now...........My Kates date I am sure is right..........You mentioned a Steven, I have found him too........I think maybe Kates Mother, still don't know maiden name, was married twice , the second time to a Steven Barber and had another family........

Surely Kate is the illegitimate child of Elizabeth Murton?? 1891 Alice Murton abt 1888 Norwich, Norfolk, England Granddaughter St Michael at Coslany Norfolk Charles Murton abt 1890 Norwich, Norfolk, England Grandson St Michael at Coslany Norfolk Ellen Murton abt 1884 Norwich, Norfolk, England Granddaughter St Michael at Coslany Norfolk Kate Murton abt 1885 Norwich, Norfolk, England Granddaughter St Michael at Coslany Norfolk Alice Murton abt 1866 Norwich, Norfolk, England Daughter St Michael at Coslany Norfolk Elizabeth Murton abt 1861 Norwich, Norfolk, England Daughter St Michael at Coslany Norfolk George Murton abt 1882 Norwich, Norfolk, England Grandson St Michael at Coslany Norfolk Rachael Murton abt 1859 Norwich, Norfolk, England Daughter St Michael at Coslany Norfolk Sarah Murton abt 1825 Norwich, Norfolk, England Head St Michael at Coslany Norfolk Alice (1866), Elizabeth and Rachael are all unmarried above. 1901 Elizabeth Barber abt 1862 Norwich, Norfolk, England Wife Norwich Norfolk Steven Barber abt 1860 Sall, Norfolk, England Head Norwich Norfolk Alice Murton abt 1888 Norwich, Norfolk, England Daughter Norwich Norfolk Arthur Murton abt 1898 Norwich, Norfolk, England Son Norwich Norfolk Edith Murton abt 1896 Norwich, Norfolk, England Daughter Norwich Norfolk Kate Murton abt 1885 Norwich, Norfolk, England Daughter Norwich Norfolk and then Elizabeth married Steven Barber, bringing four Murton children into the marriage. Name: Elizabeth Murton Year of Registration: 1900 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Norwich County: Norfolk Volume: 4b Page: 377 Spouse name Stephen Barber. Merry

It might be worth contacting the Norwich Registrars to check for a birth cert rather than the GRO. How do you have the October 17th birth date? Merry

Merry sorry if I have caused any confusion on this thread, it was just I had that Kate and also a Elizabeth Muron in my family;; But I wondered how also now how Sandra came by name and date;;; Err bowing out slowly;;;; Ohh happy birthday;; gone Babs

Thank you Merry, was on the phone to one of my cousins, looking for the birth certificate...........That is pretty clear cut then, so my facts were right................so chuffed,back onto phone..........The birthdate we knew because that was grandma's birthday..........Thanks again.......

there are 5 grandkids in 1891, and another in 1881, Walter, 4 months. Looking at births in Norwich district 1880-1890 on FamilyRelatives, I can't match any of them except Alice. Looking at Martins, I can match all 6. Martin is a very common name, but 6 out of 6 is still good going. Could be you've hit on some sort of discovery, though I can't think what it would mean

Thank you Robin, been looking at my lot and something is not right, not sure what but I see your point, have you got Barbers in there too.......

there are lots of Barbers, but haven't any names to look for. Can find births for Edith and Arthur as Murton.

Don' t know if this is any help. Steven Barber married Elizabeth Murton, she had 4 children with someone else, not found yet.edith married a Sidney Moore. Kate married my grandfather. Steven and Elizabeth had Arthur and Ernie in 1900, I think Ernie must have died as he is not in 1901 census, that is a far as I have got so far.....