Genealogy Chat

Well as Annie was born 1892 - in England, I guess you could look at the bmd beta index for the marriage in England say a year earlier? If Annie is your direct ancestor I guess it doesnt make a lot of difference to you if he remarried. Though personally Id have to get one of the younger kiddies certs just to see if it was a different person! On tip - its unusual for someone to come over from Ireland without finding several of their family living nearby! Have you tried looking for James as a lodger or looking for people who may be his siblings in the same area? Good luck.

Yes that is the family you have found on the 1901 census. You could be right that they might be in Ireland and maybe they got married there. Dont hold out much hope in finding the marriage as I have no idea where in Ireland they came from. Many thanks to all that have searched for me without people like you I would have no chance of finding out information that helps me go to the next stage. Kevin

More than likely Jim. Kevin - is Annie the person who is your direct ancestor?

Could they still be in Ireland?

Sorry, been on phone (got to earn my living!) So at last, lets have a look see at the 1901: William Broughty abt 1855 Ireland Visitor Dewsbury Yorkshire Annie Deynan abt 1892 Wednes, Lancashire, England Daughter Dewsbury Yorkshire James Deynan abt 1865 Ireland Head Dewsbury Yorkshire James Deynan abt 1899 Wednes, Lancashire, England Son Dewsbury Yorkshire Margaret Deynan abt 1873 Ireland Wife Dewsbury Yorkshire Robert Deynan abt 1900 Wednes, Lancashire, England Son Dewsbury Yorkshire Oh sorry Jim, didnt see yours. Makes it clearer doesnt it. So we have Annie born 1892 then a gap of 7 years??? Anyone looked for a death of a Mary Degnan? Do you have any certificates for the younger children with mums name? I think a possible remarriage to Margaret about 1897/98? Though other kids could be living elsewhere or dead.

I need to see 1901 census View Record Annie Deynan abt 1892 Wednes, Lancashire, England Daughter Dewsbury Yorkshire View Record James Deynan abt 1865 Ireland Head Dewsbury Yorkshire View Record James Deynan abt 1899 Wednes, Lancashire, England Son Dewsbury Yorkshire View Record Margaret Deynan abt 1873 Ireland Wife Dewsbury Yorkshire View Record Robert Deynan abt 1900 Wednes, Lancashire, England Son Dewsbury Yorkshire

Which birth certs do you have? Merry

Born late in year, fell into next quarter. And her mother was Mary Johnson. Oh you say 1892 now.

Annie was born at 7 Victoria street Prescot 1892 I have her birth certificate. I know that the 1901 census is right because they had more children and both died in Dewsbury. I also think that he just put margaret on the census by mistake or maybe he preferred to call her that.

Yes thats what I thought Merry - so I think a possible second marriage? Mary first time, Margaret next?

I think she is the 1892 Q1 baby. Born Widnes which is in Prescot district Merry

Are you sure there isnt a second marriage here? When was Annie, the eldest kiddie born? If she was the 1892 birth in Prescot - there is a big gap til next kiddie and why did you say mums name should be Mary not Margaret? May be James married Mary first then Margaret?

Maybe they married in Ireland? I can't see him on the 1891 census. Merry

How did you get her maiden name? Possible marriage: Marriages Dec 1896 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DEGNAN James Chesterfield 7b 1406 Kelly Mary Ann Chesterfield 7b 1406 OLDFIELD Thomas Henry Chesterfield 7b 1406 Turner Esther Allison Chesterfield 7b 1406 Possible birth ref for annie? What age was she? Births Mar 1892 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Degnan Annie Prescot 8b 636 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Mar 1897 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Degnan Annie Elizabeth Chesterfield 7b 729 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Jun 1897 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Degnan Annie Chesterfield 7b 711 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Mar 1898 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Degnan Annie Darlington 10a 17

I have her maiden name its Johnson but still had no luck in finding the marriage

If you get the birth cert for one of the children it will give you the mum's maiden surname, which may help with the marriage: eg: Births Sep 1900 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Degnan Robert Prescot 8b 714 Merry (LOL Heather - Snap!)

Heres youngest boys birth ref so you can buy his birth cert which will give mums maiden name: Name: Robert Degnan Year of Registration: 1900 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Prescot County: Lancashire Volume: 8b Page: 714 (click to see others on page)

The 1901 details are 153 crossland yard Dewsbury Yorkshire James degnan head 36 ireland Margaret degnan wife (it should be Mary) 28 Ireland annie degnan daug born lancs widnes james son 2 born widnes robert son born widnes I have never found a marriage for them struggling with that one. Kevin

So not Lancashire? Can you copy and paste the 1901 details on here please. I can only find one suitable James born Ireland and his wife is not a Mary. When did they marry? What children have they got on the 1901. Put the 1901 details on here.

Thanks for that. I have them on the 1901 living in dewsbury west yorkshire I think his about 36 years old also born in Ireland Kevin