Genealogy Chat

Hi Alter Thanks for your suggestions and comments. I too thought that it was a northern name, and there even seems to be an Irish connection. However, I stumbled upon the following website, and it seems that there was indeed a Glasby (often spelt Glasbey) family in the Isle of Wight and Hampshire: http://adeinnelson.homestead*com/Glasbey.html It seems that the Hants Glasb(e)ys descended from a certain Henry Clasbury born c1720 IOW, and the name changed to Clasby, then Glasbey and Glasby over the generations. So that particular family was not connected with the northern or Irish Glasbys. Now, all I know of my Thomas Glasby is that he married Mary Buss and christened his first 3 kids in Southampton. At the marriage, both claimed to be ''of the parish'' (ie Southampton), though I realise that doesn't necessarily mean he was born there. As mentioned, he's only been found on the 1841 census, where he was ''not born in county'' - i.e. not Middlesex (narrows it down a bit, eh!). His wife Mary Ann said yes to born in county in 1841, however she put Southampton down in 1851 and Twickenham(!) in 1861. So yes I am keeping an open mind on his birthplace, but Southampton does seem to be a distinct possibility. There's even a possible contender on the website that I mentioned above - a certain Thomas Salter Glasby (1792), who according to that site, married a Sarah Gunnaway - though no date is given so presumably a marriage hasn't been found. Or maybe Sarah died in childbirth and he married Mary Ann Buss the following year? All pure speculation at this stage, of course! Having said that, I've found no sign of the Thomas Salter Glasby with wife Sarah in the census either, so if he's not mine, then he's another absconder! His birth is one thing, but an even greater mystery from my point of view is why he suddenly vanished in the 1840's, leaving wife and several children behind? And at a time when he should have shown up in the records at least - census or death cert. I do so hate loose ends, and this bloke is loose at both ends LOL!! With regards to a change in occupation - well he was a cordwainer in Southampton, according to the baptism entries of his first 3 children - so he was definitely in that trade by his mid-20's, and before the move to London. With regards to William Henry, that name comes up several times in the descendants list, so I agree that this one was most likely another descendant (probably grandchild). Unfortunately poor WHG didn't live through a census, so I haven't managed to tie him in yet. Yet another cert for the list!... Cheers, Richard.

Southampton-boats ,shipping etc. This name is around Hull and Sulcoates a fair bit-reckon theres a connection somewhere. scenario-hes from a shipping background in Hull or environs-moves to southampton through work- starts a family-something happens-accident or event to make them move to london-he takes up new trade-kids to support etc,family problems or such like with his family up in hull-he moves up there,and dies there. !!!

What is noticeable is that this is massively ,and I mean massively ,a northern name. Death records for Glasby 1851-1871- all midlands or north except one record.......and it happens to be your parish in London-if this record isnt a relative my name is Icky the Firebobby. William henry Glasby died Sep 1864 1b 303 St Giles. -looks like he was 2 years old.

Richard , Trying to get an angle on the old man-he is a shoemaker-sons dont follow suit-maybe not too much can be read into that as choices are more in london- what makes you think he came from hampshire- the southampton location-why there do you think?...... could have come from a seafaring background-took ill or got injured,changed occupations pre censi. is there a cordwainers apprentice record anywhere....if so its location could be a clue. I know that there was a london cordwainers apprentice records.

Hi Jean Thanks for that, but it looks like a child death: Births Mar 1846 Glasbey James Thomas Stepney 2 574 Deaths Jun 1846 GLASBEY James Thomas Stepney 2 341 Richard

Hi Alter This is what I know of the Glasby children: Thomas, c.7-Apr-1822 Southampton (no further trace of this one - presumed died as baby?) George, c.13-Jul-1823 Southampton. House painter, married Sarah Ann Wallwin in Whitechapel, 1855. In Gt Queen St 1851 & 1861, Battersea 1871, 1881 & 1891 and ended up in Chertsey workhouse as a pauper in 1901. Died 1906 in Chertsey. Charlotte, b.20-Dec-1825 Southampton. Married Henry Richards (brewers servant) in 1856. Lived in St Giles until 1891, died in Wandsworth 1900. Elizabeth Sophia, b.8-Sep-1828 St Lukes - married George Phillips (a gunsmith) in 1854. Lived St Giles until 1861, then Battersea until at least 1901. (note she swaps the Elizabeth & Sophia around a bit!) James Thomas, b.28-Apr-1836 (note: christened as Thomas Frederick but I'm 99% certain he then went by the name James Thomas) - married Sarah Burnett Oct-1861 in Southampton (though was living in Gt Queens Place St Giles in 1861 census). He was a printer's pressman until his death in 1899. Lived in Battesea from 1871. Emily, b.1-Mar-1838 St Luke. Married in 1865 but was widowed & living with her brother George by 1881. Emma, b.9-Dec-1839 and died Q1, 1842. All the marriages & baptisms that I've found to date are CofE as far as I can tell. Mary had no occupation in 1841 (when Thomas was still around), she was an ''occasional porter'' in 1851 and a ''charwoman'' in 1861. Cheers, Richard

Richard, 1)were they catholic? 2)what were the occupations of the sons? 3)what sort of area did the family live in wealth wise when the vast majority of the family wre together? 4)did mary work?

You could start looking for mistranscriptions. For example, I found a Thomas Galasby, but he was born in Ireland and didn't sound like your man. Gillespie might be a possible mishearing of the name, depending on the accent.

Possibly, Paul - but for whatever reason, he wasn't with his wife in 51 or 61, though she is there in Gt Queen St. Can't find a death for him either - I haven't been right through the index from 1841 onwards, but I did check the quarters that are still incomplete on FreeBMD, so barring a mistranscription on FreeBMD, should have covered the lot. I could only find 5 Thomas/Tom Glasby deaths between 1841 and 1865, all of them in the north of England - possible I suppose that he moved up north, but as Mary found above, there are a few Glasby families up that way. After 1865, the age at death is in the index and there are no Thomas Glasby deaths of the right age anywhere, right up to 1910.

No, the odd thing about that one is that he doesn't seem to be the father of Matilda - I checked out her marriage, and she had a different surname. I agree that the different occupation seems to rule him out, though.

Thanks Mary - I don't think that's him however, as that one was born in Yorkshire, was an ag lab, and was presumably the father of Matilda (wife of the head). My Thomas married and had kids in Hampshire, was a cordwainer and I haven't found a daughter called Matilda - so doesn't seem to fit! Cheers Richard

I had relatives in Great Queen Street and found that a group of properties are missing off the 1851 and 1861 censuses. don't know if that's significant.

I had a quick look at this earlier, and I saw there was a Thomas Glasby in Yorkshire who was somebody's father-in-law. Have you ruled that one out?

Thanks Rose - that rules them out, at least! So my vanishing cordwainer Thomas remains elusive!! Richard

1850: Name Home in 1850 (City,County,State) Estimated Birth Year Birth Place Thomas Glasby Kensington Ward 1, Philadelphia, PA abt 1810 Ireland Thomas Glasby St Louis Ward 6, St Louis (Independent City), MO abt 1826 Ireland 1860: Name Home in 1860 (City,County,State) Age in 1860 Birth Year Birthplace Gender Thomas Glasby Palo Alto, Schuylkill, PA 3.12 abt 1860 Pennsylvania Male Thomas Glasby Tamaqua, Schuylkill, PA 45 abt 1815 Ireland Male Rose

Thanks again Rose. That makes him less likely to be mine, as I haven't found a son called John anywhere. There are 2 Thomas Glasby's coming up on the 1850 & 1860 US census search - would be much appreciated if someone could get the details for me! Richard

Hi Richard, Not sure what the family identification number is. By looking for other Glasbys arriving on the same date I got this: Name: John Glasby Arrival Date: Aug 9, 1849 Age: 24 Gender: M Port of Arrival: New York Port of Departure: Liverpool Place of Origin: England Ship: Wisconsin Family Identification: 2817316 Microfilm Serial Number: M237 Microfilm Roll Number: 82 Rose

Thanks Rose The first of those is a possibility, albeit that the age is out by a few years. What does the ''family identification'' number mean, by the way? Is it possible to see what other family members, if any, travelled with him? Cheers, Richard

Hi Richard, Name: Thomas Glasby Arrival Date: Aug 9, 1849 Age: 45 Gender: M Port of Arrival: New York Port of Departure: Liverpool Place of Origin: England Ship: Wisconsin Family Identification: 2817316 Microfilm Serial Number: M237 Microfilm Roll Number: 82 and Name: Thomas Glasby Arrival Date: May 31, 1832 Age: 37 Gender: M Port of Arrival: New York Port of Departure: Liverpool Place of Origin: France Destination: United States of America Ship: Brig Edward Microfilm Serial Number: M237 Microfilm Roll Number: 16 List Number: 344 Rose

Thanks Suzanne, that does look very interesting! I've amended my thread title in the hope that someone with USA Ancestry sub can help... Angela - it's always a possibility but all evidence I have so far is that he was a cordwainer, so it would have been quite a career change! Richard