Genealogy Chat

I have recived my GGranmothers second wedding certificate this morning , everything matches up nicely with census and children, but she had 2 differant names for her father first in 1889 to my GGrandad Herbert Wilde , her father is named as Daniel Staley occ coal miner, on her second one its to Ernest Matthews he,s named as William Staley deceased collier. Now I cannot place her in earlier census cause which one was her father? one of her witness in her first marriage was Emma Staley , on second Emma Farnival . Was Emma her sister or cousin? As Sarah,s other marriage (first) other witness was William Burgess, who an Emma Staley went on to marry! Any ideas???

Whereabouts did these people live? did your great-grandmother have a first name and if so what was it? Is she consistent about where and when she was born on censuses? That should help you to find her earlier. nell

What was your great grandmothers name, place of birth and year of birth.

First marriage Sarah lived at 1 croft st Hyde second 175 Guild lane Audenshaw , which are just down the road from one and other, most staley,s I looked up where from Aferton Derbyshire. I though i had found Emma age abt 15 inservice in one census.

We need her place and year of birth

sorry I thought I put it on, but my daughter wants to get on msn. Her name was SARAH ANN STALEY ABT 1865, I don,t have a birth cert .

could this be her in 1881 Alonzo W. Staley abt 1879 Newhall, Derbyshire, England Son Stapenhill Derbyshire Daniel Staley abt 1841 Newhall, Derbyshire, England Head Stapenhill Derbyshire Elizabeth J. Staley abt 1872 Newhall, Derbyshire, England Daughter Stapenhill Derbyshire Emma Staley abt 1876 Newhall, Derbyshire, England Daughter Stapenhill Derbyshire Frank Staley abt 1869 Newhall, Derbyshire, England Son Stapenhill Derbyshire Ruth Staley abt 1843 Swadlincote, Derbyshire, England Wife Stapenhill Derbyshire Sarah A. Staley abt 1866 Newhall, Derbyshire, England Daughter Stapenhill Derbyshire Daniel coal miner Address Rose Valley, Stapenhill

Is this her in 1891 with Herbert Herbert Wild abt 1865 Audenshaw, Lancashire, England Head Ashton under Lyne Lancashire James Wild abt 1890 Audenshaw, Lancashire, England Son Ashton under Lyne Lancashire Sarah A Wild abt 1864 Alfriston, Derbyshire, England Wife Ashton under Lyne Lancashire

1871 - choice of 2 possibles, bearing in mind year of birth might be out slightly: Alfreton Derbyshire Martha Staley abt 1832 Tean, Staffordshire, England Head Alfreton Derbyshire >>>Sarah Ann Staley abt 1864 Alfreton, Derbyshire, England Daughter Emma Staley abt 1867 Alfreton, Derbyshire, England Daughter Alfreton Derbyshire OR Newhall Derbyshire Daniel Staley abt 1851 Newhall, Derbyshire, England Head Ruth Staley abt 1843 Gresley, Derbyshire, England Wife John Staley abt 1862 Newhall, Derbyshire, England Son Hannah Staley abt 1864 Newhall, Derbyshire, Daughter >>> Sarah Ann Staley abt 1866 Newhall, Derbyshire, Daughter Frank Staley abt 1869 Newhall, Derbyshire, England Son this seems to be the family Elaine found in 1891. Daniel is a coal miner, which fits in with the marriage cert you have, BUT Sarah Ann;'s birthplace doesn't fit in with Sarah Wild's. Bear in mind that the Emma on one marriage cert might not be the same Emma on the other. She might also be a Staley by marrying one of Sarah Ann's male relatives. nell

? Sarah in 1871 Daniel Staley abt 1851 Newhall, Derbyshire, England Head Newhall Derbyshire Frank Staley abt 1869 Newhall, Derbyshire, England Son Newhall Derbyshire Hannah Staley abt 1864 Newhall, Derbyshire, England Daughter Newhall Derbyshire John Staley abt 1862 Newhall, Derbyshire, England Son Newhall Derbyshire Ruth Staley abt 1843 Gresley, Derbyshire, England Wife Newhall Derbyshire Sarah Ann Staley abt 1866 Newhall, Derbyshire, England Daughter Newhall Derbyshire

Thankyou Elaine It could be as I cann,t place her with a William in any census, but with a Martha (head) and Emma in 1881 census, as William could of died by then, don,t think it mensions if she is a widow thou.

Helen In your 1871 census the Sarah in the first one (Alfreton) appears to match the 1891 I found with Herbert - and doesn´t match the Daniel one !!

1871 census with Martha, can't check image as Ancestry is playing me up at the moment. nell

Thankyou everyone I missed out I am truly grateful for your help xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Helen where was Sarah wilde,s birth place in the 1891 census as thats one is with Herbert and son James they then went on to have william.

Just checked, Martha says she is married 1871. Are you sure both the marriages are the same Sarah?

they must be shall i tell you what I have so far?

The 1891 census we found with Herbert looks like the right one - Herbert Wild abt 1865 Audenshaw, Lancashire, England Head Ashton under Lyne Lancashire James Wild abt 1890 Audenshaw, Lancashire, England Son Ashton under Lyne Lancashire Sarah A Wild abt 1864 Alfriston, Derbyshire, England Wife Ashton under Lyne Lancashire here she is again in 1901 - remarried Ernest Matthews abt 1873 Audenshaw, Lancashire, England Head Audenshaw Lancashire Sarah Ann Matthews abt 1866 Olferton, Derbyshire, England Wife Audenshaw Lancashire James Wilde abt 1891 Audenshaw, Lancashire, England Stepson Audenshaw Lancashire Maria Wilde abt 1899 Audenshaw, Lancashire, England Daughter Audenshaw Lancashire Willie Wilde abt 1893 Audenshaw, Lancashire, England Stepson Audenshaw Lancashire

Therefore this looks more probable in 1871 Martha Staley abt 1832 Tean, Staffordshire, England Head Alfreton Derbyshire Sarah Ann Staley abt 1864 Alfreton, Derbyshire, England Daughter Emma Staley abt 1867 Alfreton, Derbyshire, England Daughter Alfreton Derbyshire

yes Iam one message behind you elaine you can muliti task. the 1901 census is correct as herbert died in 1894, i have the cert. but again Maria Wilde should be a Matthews, as Sarah would of been married then to Mr Matthews.