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1851 Robert Knouers abt 1789 Over Darwen, Lancashire, England Head Over Darwen Lancashire, farmer of 36 acres, emp. 9 (?) labourers Jane Knouers abt 1800 Witham, Lancashire, England Wife Over Darwen Lancashire, at home John Knouers abt 1839 Over Darwen, Lancashire, England Son Over Darwen Lancashire, scholar Lawrence Knouers abt 1839 Over Darwen, Lancashire, England Son Over Darwen Lancashire, scholar Simon Knouers abt 1841 Over Darwen, Lancashire, England Son Over Darwen Lancashire, scholar Will Leach Corker abt 1830 Over Darwen, Lancashire, England Servant Over Darwen Lancashire, farm labourer Will Cooper abt 1835 Over Darwen, Lancashire, England Servant Over Darwen Lancashire, farm labourer Mary McMarnon abt 1831 Ireland, Lancashire, England Servant Over Darwen Lancashire, house servant >> Moris Ariel abt 1827 Leyland, Lancashire, England Servant Over Darwen Lancashire, house servant Address: Height (?) Side, Over Darwen, Blackburn, Lancashire The ancestry transcription’s terrible, so I’ve tidied it up a bit, but the names are hard to read. Not sure of the surname of the Head and his family – possibly Knowles. Off to bed now - if you want the others from 1841, let me know, and I'll post them tomorrow.

I take it from your other thread that you need the remaining names? 1851 William Johnston abt 1817 Stamford, Lincolnshire, England Head Kingston upon Hull Holy Trinity Yorkshire, hosier Susannah Johnston abt 1820 Hull, Yorkshire, England Wife Kingston upon Hull Holy Trinity Yorkshire William Johnston abt 1847 Hull, Yorkshire, England Son Kingston upon Hull Holy Trinity Yorkshire Janet Johnston abt 1849 Hull, Yorkshire, England Daughter Kingston upon Hull Holy Trinity Yorkshire >> Mary Ann Ariel abt 1830 Thorne, Yorkshire, England Servant Kingston upon Hull Holy Trinity Yorkshire, hosier (assistant) Mary Parkin abt 1834 Ferry, Lincolnshire, England Servant Kingston upon Hull Holy Trinity Yorkshire, house servant Address: 21 Whitefriars' Gate, Kingston upon Hull, Yorkshire

Ozibird, This is my husband's line. I have been doing mine for ages and am currently stuck, waiting for certs. I decided I'd pull all this info on his lot out and see what I needed. It's one of those trees that has sat around for years. Actually it is only a pedigree chart, and I thought I'd fill it out a bit. Of course, that necessitated my checking and that's where I am. It is really interesting as I thought the name was always spelt ARIEL. However, I've found they were in Yorkshire in the early 1800s and spelt it ARIELL. Lucretia was a Clark from memory who married an Ariel. I'll have a look. If you check the 1861 census for Lucretia you will find her with the Clark family.

Thanks Mary. Not sure of the time difference. I had to go out for an hour or so. No, you weren't rude. They are impressive, aren't they. Try the Kirkby one. They married that lot as well. Lords and stuff. Still I like my ag labs. Except William Ketley of course. Playing hard to get. I just wish he knew how old he was when he filled out forms.(or told the truth). I'll bet those Ariels could read and write (and spell and add up). Mind you, I haven't found too many Ariles who actually worked. They put things like annuients and dividends in their occupations. And they were only in their 30s. When they got to Australia, they cahnged their occupation to Gentlemen. They were actually slave traders, so that wasn't very nice.

These are the remaining Ariels for 1841 - shout if you want their households. Alex Ariel abt 1826 Kent, England Northfleet Kent Charlotte Ariel abt 1837 Middlesex, England Hammersmith Middlesex Elizabeth Ariel abt 1821 North Meols Lancashire Jane Ariel abt 1834 Northumberland, England Hexham Northumberland Joseph Ariel abt 1821 Hales Owen Shropshire Lettitice Ariel abt 1816 Northumberland, England Hexham Northumberland Mary Ariel abt 1839 Northumberland, England Hexham Northumberland Samuel Ariel abt 1791 Middlesex, England St Clement Danes Middlesex Thos Ariel abt 1837 Northumberland, England Hexham Northumberland William Ariel abt 1768 Middlesex, England Poplar Middlesex William Ariel abt 1828 Middlesex, England Poplar Middlesex William Ariel abt 1821 Doncaster Yorkshire Wm Ariel abt 1821 Northumberland, England Hexham Northumberland

I wasn't meaning to be nasty - sorry, did it sound rude? I'm impressed!

1841 James Ariel abt 1829 Watford Hertfordshire, pupil William Ariel abt 1831 Watford Hertfordshire, pupil Address: Common Wood, Watford, Hertfordshire Looks like a boys' boarding school.

Don't be nasty Mary. Mind you they don't look like they fit. You should take a look at the 1881 for Clarks/Ariels. Must have been a big house to fit that many servants. Wish one would come back to life and do my housework now. Somewhere I found a court report on that Ariel/Clark family and the doctor got fined 5000 pounds for adultery with the wife. Imagine doing that with a solicitor's wife. Bad career move! Thanks.

This might be one of yours: 1841 Isabella Ariel abt 1823 Foreign Parts Liverpool Lancashire, milliner Address: Bold Street, Liverpool, with lots of other milliners.

Do you want the two servants, Mary Ann and Morris? They don't sound posh enough to be yours.

1851 Samuel T Keene abt 1814 Long Ditton, Surrey, England Head St Marylebone Middlesex, oilman, master Elizabeth Keene abt 1814 Hampton, Middlesex, England Wife St Marylebone Middlesex Gertrude Keene abt 1846 Marylebone Daughter St Marylebone Middlesex Alice Keene abt 1848 Marylebone Daughter St Marylebone Middlesex Susannah Hipperson abt 1811 Hampton, Middlesex, England Visitor St Marylebone Middlesex, annuitant >> Wm Darris Ariel abt 1825 Bloomsbury, Middlesex, England St Marylebone Middlesex, oilman’s apprentice Sarah Walker abt 1833 Southwark, Surrey, England Servant St Marylebone Middlesex, house servant Ernest Edward Keene abt 1850 (8 months) Marylebone Son St Marylebone Middlesex Address: 40 South Street, Marylebone, Middlesex The image looks more like Harris than Darris

1851 Abraham Bennett abt 1810 Ashley, Staffordshire, England Head Ashley Staffordshire, ag lab Ethel Bennett abt 1821 Ashley, Staffordshire, England Wife Ashley Staffordshire >> Martha Ariel abt 1781 Seighford, Staffordshire, England Widow Ashley Staffordshire Address: Ashley, Staffordshire Not sure if this is one of yours - the image looks more like Avril than Ariel.

1851 Magaret Susams abt 1790 London, Middlesex, England Head St Martin in the Fields Middlesex, licensed victualler Elizabeth Moscrop abt 1802 St James, Middlesex, England Visitor St Martin in the Fields Middlesex, servant Mary A Hill abt 1827 Chelsea, Middlesex, England Visitor St Martin in the Fields Middlesex, servant Eliza Beale abt 1838 Bristol, Somerset, England Servant St Martin in the Fields Middlesex, servant >> Luciana Ariel abt 1822 Valentia, Spain Lodger St Martin in the Fields Middlesex, traveller William Whitelock abt 1809 Neath, Somerset, England Lodger St Martin in the Fields Middlesex, discharged soldier Thomas Wilson abt 1827 Coventry, Warwickshire, England Lodger St Martin in the Fields Middlesex, servant Address: 4 Bedfordbury (?), St Martin in the Fields, Middlesex

Lucretia's address in 1841 is possibly Montpelier Lodge, but it isn't very clear.

Thanks Mary and Ozbird. They are all mine except not sure about that one in jail. Doubt he'd be one of my husbands. If it was my side it would be probable.

These are the only other Ariels I can find in 1851 - are you interested in them? If so, I'll post the details of their households. Luciana Ariel abt 1822 Valentia, Spain Lodger St Martin in the Fields Middlesex Martha Ariel abt 1781 Seighford, Staffordshire, England Widdno Ashley Staffordshire Mary Ann Ariel abt 1830 Thorne, Yorkshire, England Servant Kingston upon Hull Holy Trinity Yorkshire Moris Ariel abt 1827 Leyland, Lancashire, England Servant Over Darwen Lancashire Wm Darris Ariel abt 1825 Bloomsbury, Middlesex, England St Marylebone Middlesex

1851 >> John Ariel abt 1794 Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England Prisoner St Giles Cripplegate Middlesex Can this be one of yours? He's in the debtors' prison, White Crop Street, Cripplegate.

1851 >> Mary Ariel abt 1841 Bristol Pupil Clifton Gloucestershire Address: 10 Princes Buildings, Clifton, Bristol Seems to be a girls' boarding school - there are pupils there from all over the world.

My goodness, yours are a posh lot!

1851 Edward Clark abt 1808 Bristol Head Clifton Gloucestershire, widower, attorney Agatha Clark abt 1840 Bristol Daughter Clifton Gloucestershire Edward Clark abt 1842 Bristol Son Clifton Gloucestershire Myles Ariel Clark abt 1843 Bristol Son Clifton Gloucestershire Rosalie Tyre Clark abt 1844 Bristol Daughter Clifton Gloucestershire Grace Clark abt 1845 Bristol Daughter Clifton Gloucestershire Julia Clark abt 1846 Bristol Daughter Clifton Gloucestershire >> Lucretia Ariel abt 1803 Bristol Sister Clifton Gloucestershire Mary Lloyd abt 1820 Staffordshire, England Governess Clifton Gloucestershire Wm Sellick abt 1816 Somerset, England Servant Clifton Gloucestershire, Butler Sarah Dudley abt 1821 Monmouthshire, Wales Servant Clifton Gloucestershire, Nurse Mary Godfrey abt 1814 Gloucestershire, England Servant Clifton Gloucestershire, Cook Eliza Elson abt 1825 Somerset, England Servant Clifton Gloucestershire, Housemaid Sarah Smith abt 1827 Somerset, England Servant Clifton Gloucestershire, parlourmaid Address: Clifton Park House, Clifton, Bristol