Genealogy Chat

can anyone help trying to trace william thomas parents.william was born in 1874 Llangollen dembighshire wales he maried lizzie williams who was born at the same place in 1876 on the 1901 census they lived at nu 2 Green view vroncysyllte. district corwen they had two doughters gwendaline born 1897 and annie j born 1899....can any one please please please help i'm begging you kind regards gwyneth

What exactly are you looking for - give as much information as you can and we will see if we can find anything.

What happened to the thread about this family which had a very large number of replies? Reg

yes i kwow reg,but i can not get on the 1901 census even thow i have dates and and names it keeps throwing up no matches found as i'm trying to chase up my fathers side also.....gwyn

When and where was William Thomas born. Are you expecting to find him with his parents - if so give their names (and year and place of birth if you have it) If you are expecting to find him married with children then give as much family information as possible.

Gwyneth I have replied to your PM...........awaiting your feedback. Reg

hi reg and elain, have replied back reg,elaine i dont have my gr gr grandparent names i wish i did????? then i could even go further back my fathers father was name gronwey howells he was born around 1870 to1875 but not sure he maried a lady name liza jane williams again not sure of date got maried they had 9 children.alvet,cyrel,islwyn,ivor,dorothy,muriel,mabel,marion,and arthur who was my dad he was the youngest born in 1926 and sadly died in sep last year this is all the info i'v got to go on i'm affraid.thanks gwyneth.

am obviously missing something here - where does William Thomas fit in?

Where did you get your info about Gronwey's year of birth? This is the only result for the name anywhere on Ancestry Name: Gronwey Howells Year of Registration: 1899 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Swansea County: Glamorgan, West Glamorgan Volume: 11a Page: 930 Certainly not North Wales...........although the family could have moved at some stage...... Reg

Elaine Just to enlighten you............William Thomas is the 'other side' of the family; not sure why Gwyneth has used the name yet again as a thread title. There has been reams of info posted about the Thomases on several threads.........unfortunately, the main one appears to have been deleted. Reg

Gwyneth As you appear not to have any firm dates, a census search would be better carried out using just names and locations, although the location seems also to be uncertain. Have you got your father's birth cert? Reg

Is this your father's birth reg'n? Howells, Arthur T, MMN Williams Llanfyllin 11b/247 Reg

Thanks Reg!

This is the area covered by Llanfyllin district....... Denbighshire Carreghova (1837-44), Llanarmon-mynydd-mawr, Llancadwalladr, Llangedwyn, Llanrhaiadr-yn-Mochnant. Montgomeryshire (now Powys) Carreghova (from 1844), Cefnienyd, Collfryn, Deythur, Garthbeibio, Guilsfield (from 1856), Hirnant, Llandrinio, Llandysilio, Llanerchila, Llanerfyl, Llanfair-Caereinion, Llanfechan, Llanfihangel, Llanfyllin, Llangadfan, Llangrynog, Llangyniew, Llanrhaiadr-yn-Mochnant, Llansaintffraid, Llanwddyn, Meifod, Pennant, Tredderwenfawr, Trewylan. Reg

hi reg and elaine,there seems to be some confusion i changed my thread becouse i had the information i needed and i,m trying to trace both my farthers side and my mum's side my mum's father being william thomas and my dad's side being gronwey howells and as i'v said before i'm not famillar with the site yet still gatting use to it.and yes reg that is my farther and as i'v said i have very little info to go on so i might be wrong aboute dates and times .and my situation is difficult but don't want to go into detail.but thank very much for taking the time to reply you also elaine........gwyneth

Gwyneth I would think, on balance, that your best course of action would be to purchase some units for the familyrelatives site. It is fully searchable for bmd's in the period 1866-1920, and you can use any one of many criteria in the search. You should be able to find the births of at least some of your father's siblings, and also the marriage of his parents. Once you have the marriage ref, you can order the cert and find out the ages of the couple at the time, plus the names and occupations of their respective fathers. Reg

Gwyn, please dont take this the wrong way, but you need to get some sort of system in looking for your people. You should be working backwards using the info you know to be fact and then looking for the next information which will lead you backwards. What certificates do you have which show names and dates? You will need to start deciding which certificates are essential to buy so that you can cut out all the guess work. Have you got all the information you received the other day? You need to enter it all somewhere on a program or even on paper to see what you have and what you need. The same with the other side of your family. Otherwise you will get really confused by all the names, dates and places. If you dont want to buy a family tree program you can download a free one from familysearch.org I see there is a thread about a 30 day free trial on ancestry - that would give you all the census available from 1901-1841 plus lots of other info like bmd. Do you think it would worth taking the trial? Have you read the Tips for Newbies thread or the getting started article on the home page here?

these are the births that came up on familyrelatives site. there are possibly more but will not show mothers maiden name. they obviously may not be all connected to you either. No Surname Forename1 Forename2 Forename3 Mothers maiden name District Page No Event Quarter Year View Image 1 Howells Cyril R Williams Llanfyllin.11b 312 Birth 3 1920 2 Howells Evan E Williams Cardigan.11b 1 Birth 3 1917 3 Howells Graham Williams Crickhowell.11b 132 Birth 3 1919 4 Howells James A Williams Cardigan.11b 2 Birth 2 1916 5 Howells Levina Williams Cardigan.11b 3 Birth 4 1913 6 Howells Mabel M Williams Llanfyllin.11b 299 Birth 4 1913 7 Howells Martha L Williams Cardigan.11b 2 Birth 4 1912 8 Howells Mary E Williams Forden.11b 293 Birth 2 1920 9 Howells Muriel Williams Crickhowell.11b 146 Birth 2 1916 10 Howells Muriel Williams Llanfyllin.11b 257 Birth 1 1918 11 Howells Rees O Williams Cardigan.11b 4 Birth 2 1915 12 Howells Thomas E Williams Llanfyllin.11b 309 Birth 2 1915

are you certain of the names Gronwey Howells and Liza Jane Williams??

Marie That's very generous of you to use your units on Gwyneth's behalf............ Based on her father's birth info, I would suggest that the relevant ones are those in Llanfyllin. I had a PM from her earlier....she is absolutely certain about Gronwey's name. Reg